Quote from: Body Builder on January 25, 2018, 11:38:32 AMYou need.
At 1.65 you were doomed. The thing that you found a good looking woman means nothing, even handicapped people could find someone to like them. What matters is how often that happens. And with 1.65 this is very rare.
I had 2 gorgeous gfs at 1.68 but for the vast majority of girls I was invisible. THAT matters for me, how most of women see me, not 10% or less.
At almost 1.75 many women are ok with my height (just ok) and about the other half are not. That is unacceptable for me and makes my dating life much harder than it should taking in mind that I have a nice face, a great age for a man, muscles and a more than average income.
If I were tall I swear that I could have waay too many girls to choose from while now I have successes but just a little more than the average man, nothing more.
So being above average height is really important for a man. If you are less than that things become harder and if you are less than even 5.7-8 things are almost imoossible.
Thats the reality for me and most men I know that they are short.
Fair enough, but that doesn't really sound like a problem. Basically if relating to money, you want to become a millionaire just because you can. Most people life a perfectly happy life with medium wealth.
But i understand you still, its very tempting.
5'7 and more who want ll do you know the reason of your complex?
Quote from: Body Builder on January 25, 2018, 11:38:32 AMYou need.
I have a nice face, a great age for a man, muscles and a more than average income.
I'm sure you do, but you also have a huuuge need to be validated by random girls.
You know girls can sense insecurity like a bloodhound, and no offense you probably reek of it (as far as your height is concerned). You literally care soooo much about what girls think of you that I can guarantee that they can feel your intense need for female validation when you interact with them (or when you don't interact for fear of being rejected due to your height).
You would be naive to think this didn't play a HUGE part in % of females that "reject" you, but i guess its easier to blame it on something out of your control like height.
Quote from: Body Builder on January 25, 2018, 11:38:32 AMYou need.
At 1.65 you were doomed. The thing that you found a good looking woman means nothing, even handicapped people could find someone to like them. What matters is how often that happens. And with 1.65 this is very rare.
I had 2 gorgeous gfs at 1.68 but for the vast majority of girls I was invisible. THAT matters for me, how most of women see me, not 10% or less.
At almost 1.75 many women are ok with my height (just ok) and about the other half are not. That is unacceptable for me and makes my dating life much harder than it should taking in mind that I have a nice face, a great age for a man, muscles and a more than average income.
If I were tall I swear that I could have waay too many girls to choose from while now I have successes but just a little more than the average man, nothing more.
So being above average height is really important for a man. If you are less than that things become harder and if you are less than even 5.7-8 things are almost imoossible.
Thats the reality for me and most men I know that they are short.
Ive never had a problem finding good looking girls. I was 15 going into clubs with fake id just having a good time and ended up hooking up with plenty of girls way older than me and were hot as . Seriously most people complaining bout not getting girls need to work on their social skills. Stop being in denial. Good looks money and “muscles” is not your ticket to getting sexy woman. Its how you approach them. Here ill leave this here for you might learn a thing or two.
Quote from: Zeo on January 25, 2018, 03:07:03 PMI'm sure you do, but you also have a huuuge need to be validated by random girls.
You know girls can sense insecurity like a bloodhound, and no offense you probably reek of it (as far as your height is concerned). You literally care soooo much about what girls think of you that I can guarantee that they can feel your intense need for female validation when you interact with them (or when you don't interact for fear of being rejected due to your height).
You would be naive to think this didn't play a HUGE part in % of females that "reject" you, but i guess its easier to blame it on something out of your control like height.
Couldnt of said it better
Quote from: extremis on January 25, 2018, 05:21:07 AMextremis' post
I did mention the taller individuals on this board, though. How do you explain someone who, at 180cm+, is willing to spend thousands of dollars on this barbaric surgery, which will cause them to have permanent pain and problems to do things as simple as going downstairs, if not with some form of a psychological problem in how they see themselves? I'm not a psychiatrist, so I can't dispute whether actual BDD only manifests itself as a form of literal psychosis; I'd need to look that up. However, it's clearly psychological or partially psychological for the people at good heights.
And it's not my intention to downplay the reality of the issues here. I try to provide other viewpoints because the negativity on these forums will only intensify the real problems short men already have to go through, in real life and in their heads, and some here are suicidal or feel suicidal because of their height. It's also a forum, so feel free to keep arguing against my points, if so inclined.
These are all bull .
I fked tons of 10/10 at 168.
I fked a 178 girl at 168.
Height is important but not that much unless you are dwarf or something.
Nothing will change at 175 if you can not pick up anyone at 170.
Do ll to look better not for getting taller.
Taller is not always better.
A 175 with good proportions will look much better than a 180 with bad proportions.
I look way better than Apotheosis.
Do your ll if you are under 170 if you want then live happy until you die.
There will always be people much taller than you.
Do not find excuses.
Quote from: Jim_dabarber on January 25, 2018, 06:47:35 AMI said dating and finding pretty woman has nothing to do with height you moron. The reason for me to do this surgery was for aesthitic reasons as clothes fit better if im a little taller and ill look better in comparison next to my wife. Simply saying if i was average height like all my male family 5’7 and up ( im the shortest at 5’5) then i wouldve never thought to do this surgery. Go get yourself a wack a mole to bash on homie instead of trying to bash on me.
In other words, you're insecure and have a problem with your height... all the while you're telling others to "stop putting the problem on height". Which is what I was pointing out with my response to you in the first place, but I guess the obvious sarcasm in my post flew clear over your head.
Quote from: Jim_dabarber on January 25, 2018, 04:26:06 PMIve never had a problem finding good looking girls. I was 15 going into clubs with fake id just having a good time and ended up hooking up with plenty of girls way older than me and were hot as . Seriously most people complaining bout not getting girls need to work on their social skills. Stop being in denial. Good looks money and “muscles” is not your ticket to getting sxxy woman. Its how you approach them. Here ill leave this here for you might learn a thing or two.
LMAO. This old song and dance again. "It's not your looks or your height or your money, it's your PERSONALITY 
))".
Just LOL @ linking any YouTube video of "picking up" girls. EVERY SINGLE ONE of these videos is either staged/scripted or cherrypicks the cases where girls actually agree to "date" or do whatever with the man in the video due to being put on the spot, trying to virtue signal in front of the camera, etc. The men in these videos don't take these women home, they don't date them, they don't do ANYTHING with them once the video is over, because the whole point of the video is to be clickbait for gullible people like you, and potentially (in the case of "pickup artists") take their money in exchange for admission to a "bootcamp" where they can learn to "attract" women just like the guy in the video (which obviously doesn't work).
Here, I'll leave this for you:
Maybe YOU might learn a thing or two. There is no "game". "Personality" does not attract women. Attraction is physical. Scientific studies have demonstrated this.
Quote from: Zeo on January 25, 2018, 03:07:03 PMI'm sure you do, but you also have a huuuge need to be validated by random girls.
You know girls can sense insecurity like a bloodhound, and no offense you probably reek of it (as far as your height is concerned). You literally care soooo much about what girls think of you that I can guarantee that they can feel your intense need for female validation when you interact with them (or when you don't interact for fear of being rejected due to your height).
You would be naive to think this didn't play a HUGE part in % of females that "reject" you, but i guess its easier to blame it on something out of your control like height.
Another idiotic, pathetic, delusional humanist myth. Women do not have some magical "insecurity radar" that detects when someone has low self-esteem.
Even if they did, they would never need to use it, because the reason you aren't able to attract most women as a short man has nothing to do with your personality and everything to do with the fact that they have to tilt their heads down 45 degrees to look you in the eye when they wear heels.
Notice I said most women, not all women. Yes, as some posters on here love to harp on, even as a short man you can still find a few women here and there who will be willing to settle for you if you have a lot of money, are socially well-connected/influential, etc. The fact that a woman is willing to date you doesn't mean a woman is physically attracted to you. It means she's willing to date you. A woman dating or expressing interest in dating a 5'3" famous or rich man doesn't prove that she's attracted to short men. It proves she's attracted to money and status, and is willing to overlook a man being short if he has those things. The video I linked above explains this in depth. It's part of a series.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 25, 2018, 04:28:56 PMI did mention the taller individuals on this board, though. How do you explain someone who, at 180cm+, is willing to spend thousands of dollars on this barbaric surgery, which will cause them to have permanent pain and problems to do things as simple as going downstairs, if not with some form of a psychological problem in how they see themselves? I'm not a psychiatrist, so I can't dispute whether actual BDD only manifests itself as a form of literal psychosis; I'd need to look that up. However, it's clearly psychological or partially psychological for the people at good heights.
How do you explain a person in middle management who works 50 hours a week taking on 70+ hours a week of work, massive amounts of stress, compromising their free time and schedules, raising their risk of dying from heart attacks, to get to an executive position?
How do you explain bodybuilders who already have incredible physiques compared to an average person using androgenic anabolic steroids, rHGH, and other compounds, risking HPT axis shutdown, cardiac problems, cancer, etc?
How do you explain models, who are already significantly better than the average person, getting plastic surgery and using pounds of chemical beauty products (both of which have serious risks) to look younger and more attractive?
People are competitive. Some more than others. It would be hard to find someone that does not like the feeling of being "better" than other people in one or more ways. It's not a "psychological illness".
Some people want to be [X] than everyone else they know and are willing to make sacrifices to get there.
Where X can be replaced by "richer", "better looking", "more muscular", "smarter".... "taller".
Some people aren't okay with being "good enough" - they want to be "the best". You don't have the right to say that's a "psychological illness", nor does your saying that make it one, because it isn't one. The only reason you are "put off" by the idea or feel like it's a "mental illness" is because of the big bad boogeyman word: "surgery"
When it comes to self-improvement, people are okay with someone making sacrifices to become rich or doing all sorts of dumb superstitious "spiritual" bullsh*t like going on a retreat to some buddhist monastery in the middle of nowhere where they proceed to starve themselves and live in 3rd world scarcity conditions doing nothing but meditating all day long, but as soon as people hear the term "surgery", then all of a sudden it's a big problem and you need therapy, antidepressants, and all other sorts of bullsh*t copes. It's nothing but idiotic virtue signalling and it needs to stop.
QuoteAnd it's not my intention to downplay the reality of the issues here. I try to provide other viewpoints because the negativity on these forums will only intensify the real problems short men already have to go through, in real life and in their heads, and some here are suicidal or feel suicidal because of their height. It's also a forum, so feel free to keep arguing against my points, if so inclined.
Speaking realistically about the issues short men go through without sugarcoating or coping or cult-like positivity delusions isn't going to "intensify" the problems.
On the contrary, sugarcoating and trying to turn the forum into a circlejerk group therapy forum takes the focus off the forum's actual purpose, which is to discuss methods to LENGTHEN LIMBS (hence the name LIMB LENGTHENING forum). Right now the only reliable method we have is distraction osteogenesis, but this could change in the foreseeable future. I've been researching height increase for years, and I'm confident given many recent advancements in technology, as well as the breakthroughs made by Doctors such as Eben Alsberg and Alexander Teplyashin, that we could realistically see a MUCH better, less invasible, non-crippling solution for limb lengthening within the next 10 years if these people get the support and funding they need.
Again I stress this point, because it's the central reason why I'm always at odds with you (and others who post things like what you do): this isn't a group therapy forum. The focus isn't (and shouldn't be) on circlejerking and coping mechanisms. It should be on finding ways to stop being short. Heightism isn't going to go away no matter how much therapy you get or how many antidepressants/antipsychotics you dope yourself with.
Even if we consider the actual psychological illnesses (depression, suicidal ideation) many short men exhibit, if people are depressed and suicidal because of their height, it's because of the NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES they've had with other people DUE to their height. The solution isn't therapy, pills, coping mechanisms, or dumb "not so bad"-isms. You don't treat an illness by treating the symptoms. You treat the CAUSE of the disease. In this case, the cause is being short. Solve that and the problem will go away.
If not, then I'll repeat the rhetorical question I've asked so many times on this forum: why does no one suggest """therapy""" and pills for transsexuals?
Why is it "body dysmorphic disorder" when a short person wants to increase their height, even if it is at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars and undergoing a barbaric surgery, but when a transsexual wants to do the same thing, it's perfectly okay and their desires should be supported and accepted, not to mention their procedures and hormone therapies funded at taxpayers' expense?
I'll repeat the answer, too: there is no fundamental difference between wanting surgery to increase your height as a short person and wanting to """change your gender""" (which isn't scientifically possible with present technology) as a transsexual except for the fact that due to social justice warrior propaganda, one of them (transsexualism) is acceptable, while the other (limb lengthening) is NOT.
If transsexuals aren't mentally ill, depressed/suicidal short people who want to be taller are not mentally ill either.
Quote from: extremis on January 25, 2018, 08:59:17 PMThere is no "game". "Personality" does not attract women. Attraction is physical. Scientific studies have demonstrated this.
"Personality" does not attract women this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Quote from: jexus on January 25, 2018, 08:03:50 PMThese are all bull .
I fked tons of 10/10 at 168.
No, you "fked" tons of women you thought were 10/10. Unless you were "fking" actual supermodels (as in, career runway models), you weren't anywhere NEAR the "10/10" range.
QuoteI fked a 178 girl at 168.
I don't know why you would consider this impressive or feel the need to point this out. I'm starting to think there may be truth to the meme that short men view having sxx with tall women as some kind of "achievement", as if it's a challenge.
News flash: A woman who's 178 cm tall is within the upper 1st percentile of female height, which is NOT a good thing in the least in terms of her sxxual attractiveness to the overwhelming majority of men.
Tall women are VERY often insecure about their height just like short men are, though not to the same extent due to the massive amount of validation women get from men and the ease with which they can secure a sxxual partner despite any physical flaw they have (just boot up Tinder or some other dating app).
The point is, having sxx with a tall woman as a short man isn't impressive. Both parties are undesirable to the majority of the opposite sxx. You're not "proving" anything by saying you had sxx with a tall woman. If you approached her, you are probably the first man to do so in a LONG time. Most men wouldn't want anything to do with a woman who would tower them in the 3-4 inch heels women wear on nights out.
Quote from: jexus on January 25, 2018, 10:10:23 PM"Personality" does not attract women this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
http://www.psypost.org/2017/03/personality-traits-no-influence-initial-romantic-attraction-study-finds-48362
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/per.2087/abstract
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We evaluated five competing hypotheses about what predicts romantic interest. Through a half-block quasi-experimental design, a large sample of young adults (i.e. responders; n = 335) viewed videos of opposite-sxx persons (i.e. targets) talking about themselves, and responders rated the targets' traits and their romantic interest in the target. We tested whether similarity, dissimilarity or overall trait levels on mate value, physical attractiveness, life history strategy and the Big Five personality factors predicted romantic interest at zero acquaintance and whether sxx acted as a moderator. We tested the responders' individual perception of the targets' traits, in addition to the targets' own self-reported trait levels and a consensus rating of the targets made by the responders. We used polynomial regression with response surface analysis within multilevel modelling to test support for each of the hypotheses. Results suggest a large sxx difference in trait perception; when women rated men, they agreed in their perception more often than when men rated women. However, as a predictor of romantic interest, there were no sxx differences. Only the responders' perception of the targets' physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders' who rated the targets' physical attractiveness as higher than themselves reported more romantic interest. Copyright © 2017 European Association of
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x
QuoteAbstract
Prior research investigating the mate preferences of women and their parents reveals two important findings with regard to physical attractiveness. First, daughters more strongly value mate characteristics connoting genetic quality (such as physical attractiveness) than their parents. Second, both daughters and their parents report valuing characteristics other than physical attractiveness most strongly (e.g., ambition/industriousness, friendliness/kindness). However, the prior research relies solely on self-report to assess daughters’ and parents’ preferences. We assessed mate preferences among 61 daughter-mother pairs using an experimental design varying target men’s physical attractiveness and trait profiles. We tested four hypotheses investigating whether a minimum level of physical attractiveness was a necessity to both women and their mothers and whether physical attractiveness was a more important determinant of dating desirability than trait profiles. These hypotheses were supported. Women and their mothers were strongly influenced by the physical attractiveness of the target men and preferred the attractive and moderately attractive targets. Men with the most desirable personality profiles were rated more favorably than their counterparts only when they were at least moderately attractive.[/u][/b] Unattractive men were never rated as more desirable partners for daughters, even when they possessed the most desirable trait profiles. We conclude that a minimum level of physical attractiveness is a necessity for both women and their mothers and that when women and their parents state that other traits are more important than physical attractiveness, they assume potential mates meet a minimally acceptable standard of physical attractiveness.
Please present your peer-reviewed behavioral analysis studies demonstrating the importance of """personality""" in attracting women?
In other words, you're insecure and have a problem with your height... all the while you're telling others to "stop putting the problem on height". Which is what I was pointing out with my response to you in the first place, but I guess the obvious sarcasm in my post flew clear over your head.
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No im saying stop blaming your height for not bein able to pick up girls. Being taller will not magically have woman on there knees begging to suck your dck. If your wack at 170 youll be wack at 180. Being taller will not solve your daying problems becaeuse at the end of the day yes girls might not reject you for your height but once you start a conversation or try and dance with them lets say at a club and they realize your lame asf and cant even dance they will walk away and go with the shorter guy who is out there killing it on the dance floor and just having a good time instead of worrying about his height and woman turning him down. Sorry if your butthurt and to you this doesnt make sense buddy but i actually had a good dating life at 165. Not just talking about 5-10 woman. More like 35+ Probly more fine ass woman that youll ever have at a 180+ height.
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