Quote from: Tehn84 on July 31, 2023, 08:12:35 PMFunny how that same 'logic' is always trotted out here no problem when someone is talking about reducing their goals (i.e. no one's gonna notice 1cm extra in height bro!).
Yes it's true n+1 is likely only marginally worse than n in terms of proportions. I wasn't the one who brought up the proportions thing though, and you can just flip the same logic to a guy saying increasing a large amount will definitely ruin your proportions when it wont. Look at yourself in the mirror and decide if you like what you see is the only way to sensibly do this, but don't just stop at 8cm (unless Precise) unless that's genuinely your dream height or you look in the mirror and think increasing more in the femurs will look bad and outweigh the benefits of further height gain. But definitely don't decide based on 'the Lord our Father Paley said 8cm is the maximum', as Paley is just an orthopaedic surgeon, a very skilled one yes, but he's just a man, not a God, and is subject to the same biases and capability to be wrong on an individual case as anyone else. He's hardly going to tell prospective customers 10cm is safe for many when his nails only go to 8cm now, is he? They'd be on the next flight to Europe in that case.
I never did a 8.5cm mockup. I did an 8cm one in paint before starting the lengthening as at the time I also thought of 8cm as the goal. I'm not sure if it looks exactly the same as the mockup although 0.5cm isn't going to make or break anything in this regard. I think it looks perfectly fine tbh, like I say you can definitely notice the femurs are big but that's going to apply to anyone lengthening over 5cm or so.
Of course all this only applies when you're not wearing clothes. If you're in pants then it's completely indistinguishable from the rest of the population. And I've never had any comments even when nked, although I guess a girl is unlikely to say something like that to your face even if she's thinking it.
As for the height result being the same, yes I got 8.5cm increase in 'real' height, exactly as the xrays predicted once accounting for the discrepancy between my legs and the Q angle.
Are you satisfied with your height now being 178-179cm tall? Or are you planning for a tibia lengthening?
Also, I guess you are the multi-banned user so I have to ask, is dating at your new height really vastly easier than before like a night and day difference? I ask this because (1) I agree with your views that LL is almost exclusively for being better at dating (2) If even you might notice a difference, but not a big one, do you think the entire ordeal is worth for the supposed benefits it brings
So the controversy is about the recommended 8cm maximum safe limit for femurs, or if the real safe limit can go even higher. Let me chime in.
There is no empirical or research data that defines 8cm as the safe maximum limit for femurs. I'm guessing by conjecture that the 8cm femur safe limit came from orthopedic research that the best bone regenerate is less than 15% of the bone length. Between 15% to 20% and it gets a little more worse. Beyond 20% and it gets more worse, so it's recommended not to lengthen more than 20% of your bone length.
Before 2020, the overwhelming majority of cosmetic leg lengthening patients were short men under 5'7" or 170cm. Short men between 5'4" to 5'7" had femur lengths where 20% of it would be around 8cm. So when Nuvasive released the Precice 1 nail in 2012 and Precice 2 nail in 2014 (I think those are the years), they want to keep it safe for the overwhelming majority of their clients and limit it to 8cm.
Since 2020, we have certainly seen a greater number of taller CLL patients over 5'7". In that case, 20% femur length for the taller patients can be more like 9cm or even 10cm. And yes, the safe limit is different for each individual patient.
Even if you go with a femur lengthening device where you can lengthen 9cm or more, it's still an increasing risk if you go over your safe limit. It's not as simple as playing a game at a casino for higher stakes, which can either lead to bigger gains or bigger losses. With casino games, you just lose money and you can always gain money back (assuming you're not too deep in debt or an addict). But if you lose the game of overlengthening, you'll suffer a lifetime of permanent losses like:
Excessive muscle tightness
Arthritis
Nerve damage
Bone deformity (bent nails which leads to bent bones)
Messed up walking gait
Loss of athletic ability (like running or jumping)
Being a handicap
Lost time
Quote from: Height Journey on July 31, 2023, 10:25:12 PMSo the controversy is about the recommended 8cm maximum safe limit for femurs, or if the real safe limit can go even higher. Let me chime in.
There is no empirical or research data that defines 8cm as the safe maximum limit for femurs. I'm guessing by conjecture that the 8cm femur safe limit came from orthopedic research that the best bone regenerate is less than 15% of the bone length. Between 15% to 20% and it gets a little more worse. Beyond 20% and it gets more worse, so it's recommended not to lengthen more than 20% of your bone length.
Before 2020, the overwhelming majority of cosmetic leg lengthening patients were short men under 5'7" or 170cm. Short men between 5'4" to 5'7" had femur lengths where 20% of it would be around 8cm. So when Nuvasive released the Precice 1 nail in 2012 and Precice 2 nail in 2014 (I think those are the years), they want to keep it safe for the overwhelming majority of their clients and limit it to 8cm.
Since 2020, we have certainly seen a greater number of taller CLL patients over 5'7". In that case, 20% femur length for the taller patients can be more like 9cm or even 10cm. And yes, the safe limit is different for each individual patient.
Even if you go with a femur lengthening device where you can lengthen 9cm or more, it's still an increasing risk if you go over your safe limit. It's not as simple as playing a game at a casino for higher stakes, which can either lead to bigger gains or bigger losses. With casino games, you just lose money and you can always gain money back (assuming you're not too deep in debt or an addict). But if you lose the game of overlengthening, you'll suffer a lifetime of permanent losses like:
Excessive muscle tightness
Arthritis
Nerve damage
Bone deformity (bent nails which leads to bent bones)
Messed up walking gait
Loss of athletic ability (like running or jumping)
Being a handicap
Lost time
I just did 12.36cm on one go in femurs. Some of what you said is right. Comes down to some can handle 12 in one go and some can’t. It depends on many factors and the person
Quote from: informationispower on July 31, 2023, 09:07:10 PMAre you satisfied with your height now being 178-179cm tall? Or are you planning for a tibia lengthening?
Also, I guess you are the multi-banned user so I have to ask, is dating at your new height really vastly easier than before like a night and day difference? I ask this because (1) I agree with your views that LL is almost exclusively for being better at dating (2) If even you might notice a difference, but not a big one, do you think the entire ordeal is worth for the supposed benefits it brings
100% satisfied now and won't be doing tibia, even though at one point (pre-first LL) I used to think I might do it. I'd be a few millimetres off 180cm now, and that's perfectly fine for me tbh. While getting to 184-185 would probably be a benefit in absolute terms from where I am now, in no way do I think it'd be worth the additional months of recovery and the cost, the big dating/social gains have been had already.
With dating my experience is this: on apps, where a girl is going to swipe left or right based on your pictures, there's no increase in actual match rate, but that's just normal as (just like when I was 171) I don't put my height in the bio as let's face it, 179-180 is about average and not worth specifically drawing attention to as a net positive. When you actually meet up for a date though, success rate is much better now. More times a girl comes home with you quickly, more often she's interested to meet again etc.
In 'real-life' settings it's also a nice benefit. Prior to CLL, I'd only ever managed to pick up one girl in a club before. Not that I went often, but that was largely because of the negative feedback loop i.e. as a manlet you don't really belong in a club and it's extremely difficult to have fun there. I still don't particularly enjoy the experience since it's just not my scene, but since CLL I've picked up 2 girls in clubs (so 2 in a few months vs 1 in many years, and it's not like I go out often, maybe once a month or so, I'm 99% an online-dating type of guy) and have even started getting approached by girls myself sometimes, which literally never happened (in a club) pre-CLL. It's not some magic bullet where you're guaranteed to be drowning in approaches every time you go out, but it definitely puts you in the game and gives you a decent chance.
CLL was/is definitely worth it from my starting height to ending height. I'd feel much more sceptical about doing it if starting at my current height now and wanting to get to the mid-180s, although it's fair to say I did meet a few patients who did just that and they seemed satisfied, although I never kept in touch with them after CLL so I don't really know how it's impacted their lives.
Women can't tell the difference between being barefoot 5'10 or 6 feet. Some women if your towering over them, they don't care if its with 19 cm or 24 cm as an example. Thats why that if your're doing LL to get those "bad bitches" (shallow cheap trash women from clubs that literally only care about height, money and attention) it's not going to make a difference if your standard tall by being 5'10 or more than this. Guys often lies with up 2 inches, because they know that they can get away with it and your're taller in shoes. Besides the only country I have heard where women are so extremely shallow and are like this is in the US. Here in Denmark I have never heard or meet any women who have rejected a guy because he was only like 5 cm taller than the girl and not a head. That would be like a guy not deciding to get into a relationship/smashing with a perfect girl, just because the butt could be thicker.
https://scoop.upworthy.com/woman-sparks-debate-after-revealing-plan-to-catch-men-lying-about-their-height-on-dating-apps
Quote from: DanishViking on August 01, 2023, 06:57:48 AMWomen can't tell the difference between being barefoot 5'10 or 6 feet. Some women if your towering over them, they don't care if its with 19 cm or 24 cm as an example. Thats why that if your're doing LL to get those "bad bitches" (shallow cheap trash women from clubs that literally only care about height, money and attention) it's not going to make a difference if your standard tall by being 5'10 or more than this. Guys often lies with up 2 inches, because they know that they can get away with it and your're taller in shoes. Besides the only country I have heard where women are so extremely shallow and are like this is in the US. Here in Denmark I have never heard or meet any women who have rejected a guy because he was only like 5 cm taller than the girl and not a head. That would be like a guy not deciding to get into a relationship/smashing with a perfect girl, just because the butt could be thicker.
https://scoop.upworthy.com/woman-sparks-debate-after-revealing-plan-to-catch-men-lying-about-their-height-on-dating-apps
You're a bluepilled cuck who has drunk the muh kunfidence muh game muh personliteehee kool aid. All your posts are full of this trash.
Of course they can fking tell, that isn't the same thing as being able to accurately guess someone's height to within 5cm however.
Nothing wrong with being shallow either, everyone is shallow. Do you want a good looking girl? Then you're 'shallow, cheap, trash' too, by your own metrics. And don't start lying to me that you only care about a girls character.
Quote from: Tehn84 on August 01, 2023, 06:13:33 AM100% satisfied now and won't be doing tibia, even though at one point (pre-first LL) I used to think I might do it. I'd be a few millimetres off 180cm now, and that's perfectly fine for me tbh. While getting to 184-185 would probably be a benefit in absolute terms from where I am now, in no way do I think it'd be worth the additional months of recovery and the cost, the big dating/social gains have been had already.
With dating my experience is this: on apps, where a girl is going to swipe left or right based on your pictures, there's no increase in actual match rate, but that's just normal as (just like when I was 171) I don't put my height in the bio as let's face it, 179-180 is about average and not worth specifically drawing attention to as a net positive. When you actually meet up for a date though, success rate is much better now. More times a girl comes home with you quickly, more often she's interested to meet again etc.
In 'real-life' settings it's also a nice benefit. Prior to CLL, I'd only ever managed to pick up one girl in a club before. Not that I went often, but that was largely because of the negative feedback loop i.e. as a manlet you don't really belong in a club and it's extremely difficult to have fun there. I still don't particularly enjoy the experience since it's just not my scene, but since CLL I've picked up 2 girls in clubs (so 2 in a few months vs 1 in many years, and it's not like I go out often, maybe once a month or so, I'm 99% an online-dating type of guy) and have even started getting approached by girls myself sometimes, which literally never happened (in a club) pre-CLL. It's not some magic bullet where you're guaranteed to be drowning in approaches every time you go out, but it definitely puts you in the game and gives you a decent chance.
CLL was/is definitely worth it from my starting height to ending height. I'd feel much more sceptical about doing it if starting at my current height now and wanting to get to the mid-180s, although it's fair to say I did meet a few patients who did just that and they seemed satisfied, although I never kept in touch with them after CLL so I don't really know how it's impacted their lives.
Mm I see. BTW, which country are you from? You are not a native English speaker
Quote from: Tehn84 on August 01, 2023, 07:28:09 AMYou're a bluepilled cuck who has drunk the muh kunfidence muh game muh personliteehee kool aid. All your posts are full of this trash.
Of course they can fking tell, that isn't the same thing as being able to accurately guess someone's height to within 5cm however.
Nothing wrong with being shallow either, everyone is shallow. Do you want a good looking girl? Then you're 'shallow, cheap, trash' too, by your own metrics. And don't start lying to me that you only care about a girls character.
I vote up what this guy said. Well, yeah, I admit that if two girls are equal in other respects except face, I will prefer the more good-looking one, but that does not mean I will put the largest weight to face when dating. If she was hot but she had bad personality so that I couldnt' even get along with her, or even just did not have the same interests as mine so that we could not have many conversations, then I would also not date her. Face is just a threshold btw. Even if she was good-looking, as you had got along with her for long enough time being good-looking would not make sense any longer.
Quote from: Sorcerer on August 01, 2023, 02:39:51 PMI vote up what this guy said. Well, yeah, I admit that if two girls are equal in other respects except face, I will prefer the more good-looking one, but that does not mean I will put the largest weight to face when dating. If she was hot but she had bad personality so that I couldnt' even get along with her, or even just did not have the same interests as mine so that we could not have many conversations, then I would also not date her. Face is just a threshold btw. Even if she was good-looking, as you had got along with her for long enough time being good-looking would not make sense any longer.
If she was attractive but an idiot you might not date her but you would still f**k her.
Only guys who can't or never had ONS speak about dating disregarding the sex for fun aspect
I agree with both you. If a girl is hot, but has a terrible attitude or personality then you don't want to do anything with her other than f... But personally being with someone who you vibe with ssssoooo much better.
Tehn84 My posts are almost always based on facts, common sense or personal experience something you clearly lack. I have worked multiple jobs in field marketing approaching hundreds of women, and you just can't accept the truth that women will never notice the difference between average tall and taller than that and even if 1/100 do, they dont care if your're 15 cm taller or 20. cm taller than them lmao.
But hey! Keep living your trashy lifestyle chasing trash slutty women at clubs while drinking yourself to death, craptalking everyone with more life experience with crap language online, while spending all your money going from tall to more tall. I'm just trying to tell you the reality, I have been in your shoes and it ain't worth it. No i'm not bluepilled, I just don't chase club garbage, infact I believe blue pilled men maybe like you, think that the only thing that matters is height cuz your're insecure, when in reality social skills, confidence, looks, style, charisma matters much much more. If you don't believe then look it up. Grow up and start acting like an adult and stop insulting everyone you think that it's wrong even when they have more life experience than yourself, thats just plain childish and pathetic...
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