Hm, I mean yeah height matters, and I mean it's kind of a crapty truth that a lot of women will disqualify you for being too short. (I think what BodyBuilder saying about 5'11 and up being the no problems range is probably roughly true). Like I'd say at 5'8 it's been my single biggest issue for being rejected, I mean at least of what I've been told by women. But I'm tall enough for a lot of women too (maybe not perfect but I can get over that lol), and a lot of women just don't care.
But I think if you don't have options before LL, I think you have to seriously consider what you can do to improve your personality or your looks otherwise. Many women actually don't care about height, and furthermore if there's a short guy who's attractive in a lot of other ways women can be flexible even about rigid height standards. But also, more importantly, a 5'6 guy who can't get laid/get a girlfriend will probably only shoot up to a 5'10 guy who also can do neither of those things.
I don't want to be too presumptuous or anything, BodyBuilder, but it seems to me that if many women are always bringing this up you are attracting a lot of shallow women for some reason.
You don't need 90% of women to find your height attractive in order to get a girlfriend... And likewise it isn't true for many women at all that height is the one attractive thing. This forum inevitable zones in on that way too much.
Honestly the guys with the hottest girls i have ever seen were always between 5'8-5'11.
And btw using memes from twitter as an example.... like cmooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
The thing is that even me at 5'7 is attracting women and also won women over taller men. height is indeed important but it is only part of the package... Face comes first by far. Height is not a positive quality but rather a negative one. I mean that it's not the taller the better but once you pass a certain threshold, height is no longer a problem. You can get disqualified for height but not qualified for it if you get what I mean. Just like when you disqualify a woman if she is too fat. It's not that an ugly women who is not fat will appear pretty but more than a pretty women will be disqualified if she is fat.
Yeah I agree with TIBIKE. It's really just a threshold. It often has an upper limit too. And short but handsome guys can frequently make women second-guess their threshold. Good personality (if you want to attract women with a good personality) and high social intelligence is the most important thing regardless.
@ Kaizer: you should live in a completely denial if you think that height doesn't matter for women. It is the first and most important thing they look in the appearance of someone and if you have a not ugly face and some muscles, then almost no women will reject you for your appearance. And then comes personality which is very important but it comes after the first impression. Guess what, if a woman doesn't like your appearance then she wouldn't bother to see your character.
And the same goes for us with women. If I am not attracted to a girl, then nothing else matters.
@Ozymandias: the most stupid thing is to judge someone you don't know and has done LL and writes his experiences before and after. If you think that I'm exaggerating with my appearance, then it's your problem. I'm very strict with myself and when I say that 5.8-5.9 is not enough for a real alpha male, I know what I'm talking about. If I just wanted a beautiful girl to marry and have children, I would have done that even before my first LL. But this isn't what I want. I want to play with my rules and never get rejected for something that it wasn't my fault like height. My self esteem doesn't let me to admit that many women see me as inferior to many other men because I'm not tall enough, although I tried my best to have a built body, good style and a relatively good income.
I tried my best and the only thing missing to have the complete package is 2-3 inches more. That's ridiculous but it is the hars truth. And that's why me and every other man in my situation has the right to change it. And the only way is LL.
@ Theophilo: most women won't reject you for your height, especially when you are 5.10. But they still think that your height is not perfect. They don't think the same for someone who is 6 ft compared to someone 6.1 ft because you are tall enough to not matter if you were taller or not. Also, after about 6.2 or 6.3 at max height becomes a drawback.
But yes, when you are 5.9 and good looking, most of the women will prefer a more average looking man (not ugly of course) who is 6 ft. That's the truth even if we want to admit it or not.
@ I wanna be taller: that doesn't have to do with my personal experiences. When a woman tells me that 5.9 is not enough for an ideal man, then that has to do with that height, not me personally. And trust me, I have many many good experiences with women that most of the guys that judge me above wouldn't even dream of. But I know that If I were 5.11, these experiences would have been more and easier, not only because I'd have felt much better with myself but because no women (or a very slight minority of crazy height obseased girls but who cares) would think that I'm good but if I were taller I would have been better. If you reach a certain height then being taller simply doesn't matter. And I truly believe that this height is 5.11 or at least 5.10,5. From that and beyond height is becoming a drawback and from 5.8-5.7 and beyond a very significant one.
@ Tibike: I truly believe that height is much more important than a great face for a woman. Being tall with moderate face makes dating much easier than being short with a great face. Having a great face and an average height is enough most of the times but again, being tall is the first that a woman wants in a man and then everything else.
And I completely agree that after a certain threshold height doesn't matter. But this threshold is 5.11 from my experience which is a little above the majority in most west countries, so if you don't reach it then you still will have a drawback in your appearance for most of the women that increases dramatically the shorter your height becomes.
Height is the most important thing in a mans appearance and the only that you can't change at all in a psysical way. It is completely insane to have less chances in our lives because we aren't above the average height or at least very close to it. But this is the harsh and only truth.
So you have 2 options. Try harder to succeed and many times keep failing (especially in dating) for somethimg that it isn't your fault, or take the risks and change it with LL and become whatever you want with nothing holding you down.
Everyone can make the choice he wants. I chose the second one before 5 years and I'll do it again in about 2 years to finish once and for all the height issue for myself.
I want to play with my rules, whatever it takes.
Quote from: Body Builder on February 22, 2017, 05:30:19 PMbeing tall is the first that a woman wants in a man and then everything else.
lolno
I only met one woman who *only* likes tall guys, but I've met women who prefer shorter guys (compatibility, less arrogance). I've never met a woman who likes an ugly face, although I guess some women might feasibly (I mean, maybe an ugly face sometimes gives better conversation).
BodyBuilder, do you wonder if some women who mention your height but are interested in you anyway can tell you're insecure about it in some way and are testing you? It's just a thought.
Quote from: Body Builder on February 22, 2017, 05:30:19 PM@ I wanna be taller: that doesn't have to do with my personal experiences. When a woman tells me that 5.9 is not enough for an ideal man, then that has to do with that height, not me personally. And trust me, I have many many good experiences with women that most of the guys that judge me above wouldn't even dream of. But I know that If I were 5.11, these experiences would have been more and easier, not only because I'd have felt much better with myself but because no women (or a very slight minority of crazy height obseased girls but who cares) would think that I'm good but if I were taller I would have been better. If you reach a certain height then being taller simply doesn't matter. And I truly believe that this height is 5.11 or at least 5.10,5. From that and beyond height is becoming a drawback and from 5.8-5.7 and beyond a very significant one.
Well, it has to do with you personally in the sense that it was women who told YOU what height is ideal, it was YOUR girlfriend who made jokes about your height, so in that sense it's an individual, unique experience you made. And I'm the first to agree that there's a lot of women, and I mean really a big percentage, who are very attracted to height and will not find a short man's apperance attractive.
However, that is just one part of the picture. I believe there's really a great variety of women and the simplified "biologistic" bro-science theories such as the red pill, regarding women's behaviour, are so greatly exaggerating that they are not valid. Since you're apparently a bodybuilder, I can assume you fit in the "big, pumped up, brutish man" crowd, just like the guy in your profile picture. But not all women will be attracted to that profile pic guy. The "cute" angle absolutely works as a man, for different women, but it works. Think Justin Bieber or Bruno Mars.
You said several times here that you look better at 30 than most men in their twenties, and that the women you've been with were women that most guys "wouldn't even dream of". This to me, seems a little arrogant. How do you measure good looking? How can you judge about which women other guys dream of? Which woman is objectively "greater" than others? So in that regard, it's fully possible that you are also more likely to be around with women who are themselves a little arrogant and perhaps shallow. Not saying that's how it is, just that's it's possible.
It's not tall they prefer. They prefer TALLER than them (and many put also taller than them in heels)
Some women do just prefer objectively tall men. But mostly yes I think taller than them and taller than them in heels is more important.
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