@nightstar
The risk isn‘t any less with quadrilateral.
Waiting for stem cell stuff is a bad idea. Stay realistic. That won‘t be a future in our lifetime. Rather do 2 lls and accept that you only got 14 instead of 16 cm. Dude it really is whatever, when you start the LL journey most people change their mind about their goal anyways..
Quote from: RealLostSoul on May 08, 2021, 11:06:27 PMWaiting for stem cell stuff is a bad idea. Stay realistic. That won‘t be a future in our lifetime.
Almost certain to be possible within your lifetime. Very reasonable to guess, within 25 years. But that's a large part of our life. I certainly won't wait on it to begin. Then decisions can be made.
Quote from: nightstar on May 09, 2021, 04:50:58 AMAlmost certain to be possible within your lifetime. Very reasonable to guess, within 25 years. But that's a large part of our life. I certainly won't wait on it to begin. Then decisions can be made.
Stem cells for new options in organ transplants? Yea possible within 25 years. Stem cells to make grown organisms grow taller? that‘s on a similar sci fi level as the alcubierre warp drive imo.
Quote from: RealLostSoul on May 08, 2021, 07:54:05 PMYou are welcome 
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Yes STRYDE is the best device but unfortunately it is not available now. All alternatives come with up and downsides (precise is not weight bearing, mechanical nails are usually more painfull, externals are uncomfortable create more scars and risk infections etc)
If you can wait until next year I think it is worth waiting!
I sincerely think proportions are overrated. Even those who do a lot of lengthening (for example look at the user @jfk - he did 2 LLs and got to 16.5cm) end up looking amazing. Safety is what matters though, yes!
I think biomechanics are not much affected tbh. Unless you are an athlete or bodybuilding doing squads etc it will not make too much of a difference. Even when it does, you will only be impaired for the year gap until you get the tibia LL. Think about it that way, people who do cross lengthening (one femur and one tibia on the other side at the same time) have a much worse odd look until they get the second surgery.. but when they do it's all fine again.
I mean the mechanical axis*. Basically the alignement of the bones and how the pressure/force is distributed on the knee. If it is screwed (with internals it rather happens on the tibia) you will get arthritis due to one side of the knee being pressured way more. If it is aligned properly, you should be fine. Some argue there could be long term risks but this is debatable. Logically, being an athlete or being obese is a much higher risk for that than just a few extra inches on your bones. At least this is my opinion (and most Doctors will say that if done properly, there really shouldn't be any long term problems).
True! In my case I will NEVER do with external, and I'm almost thinking to do it only with stryde or not doing it, cause stryde is a bless, weight bearing right after surgery gets a HUUUGE impact at recovery time!
Yeah, me too. long lengs don't even look bad, and arm spam not important for appearence (but important for sports). I will check him out!
Cross leghening is weird, why do they do it?? Yes, it's only for about 1-2years with a huge femur, but you can fake it until you do tibias for sure. And I don't think someone will return to a athlet state before 2-3y after the last surgery. The barcelona guy started the consolidation phase (108 days after surgery) and he's still walking weird, it will take much more time. About biomechanics, I think that Femur/tibia ratio might have a small impact, but not sure.
Ohhh gotcha!!! Yeah, I think it depends at your conditions, health, habits and the surgeon. If you don't do impact sports you're fine (my family does not like any running or etc sports, cause you get problems when you get old), so I think it woun't be a problem.
Now that you said it, I was thinking initially only 8-10max with quad once. But I'm starting to think about 8cm femur than tibia 6cm, total 14. I would like to be 6 feet tall. I'm 168, but with good posture almost 169. So 14 would be okay with bilateral after a year, right?
Quote from: RealLostSoul on May 08, 2021, 11:06:27 PM@nightstar
The risk isn‘t any less with quadrilateral.
Waiting for stem cell stuff is a bad idea. Stay realistic. That won‘t be a future in our lifetime. Rather do 2 lls and accept that you only got 14 instead of 16 cm. Dude it really is whatever, when you start the LL journey most people change their mind about their goal anyways..
Yes, true. I read some diaries and also some patient stories (some from lee) that some patients wanted 10-12 and when they got 6cm they said that was okay, and some wanted only 4 and endend up with 8. I think everyone wants the maximum, including myself. But you need to be conservative and do the maximum with safety, 14cm is already HUGE, getting problems for only 2cm more to be 16cm, it's not worth. But if you can get 16 with the same safety as 14cm, go ahead.
I think CLL with stryde is almost a nobel thing. It's a huge technology, stem cells will take years. So Stryde is the thing now.
Keep in mind, already LLS is shown to be stem cell growth. Not normal bone repair. This was the conclusion of the Stanford Medicine study. To create this reaction without breaking the bone is far away, but on the horizon. Not like Alcubiere (science fiction).
Quote from: Future Skycraper on May 09, 2021, 07:04:03 PM
True! In my case I will NEVER do with external, and I'm almost thinking to do it only with stryde or not doing it, cause stryde is a bless, weight bearing right after surgery gets a HUUUGE impact at recovery time!
Yeah, me too. long lengs don't even look bad, and arm spam not important for appearence (but important for sports). I will check him out!
Cross leghening is weird, why do they do it?? Yes, it's only for about 1-2years with a huge femur, but you can fake it until you do tibias for sure. And I don't think someone will return to a athlet state before 2-3y after the last surgery. The barcelona guy started the consolidation phase (108 days after surgery) and he's still walking weird, it will take much more time. About biomechanics, I think that Femur/tibia ratio might have a small impact, but not sure.
Ohhh gotcha!!! Yeah, I think it depends at your conditions, health, habits and the surgeon. If you don't do impact sports you're fine (my family does not like any running or etc sports, cause you get problems when you get old), so I think it woun't be a problem.
Now that you said it, I was thinking initially only 8-10max with quad once. But I'm starting to think about 8cm femur than tibia 6cm, total 14. I would like to be 6 feet tall. I'm 168, but with good posture almost 169. So 14 would be okay with bilateral after a year, right?
Yea me too, externals are not an option for me. Weightbearing is really important, true.
Idk too much about cross lengthening I think it's weird too.
Depending on what you wanna do in life you can get away with more or less tbh. Not being able to do any sport is not worth it but not everyone has or wants to be an athlete.
Yea 14cm in 2 LLs is fine if you are a good case.
You gotta roll the dice and pray though because with any doctor and regardless of your amount you can end up in a casket. It's the truth, there is always an unpredictable risk that when you catch it. Bingo!
You really have to be down for LL and nothing to lose in a way because it is major massive and dangerous in and of itself (obviously tripled if you go to indian butchers or so).
Quote from: Future Skycraper on May 09, 2021, 07:08:15 PMYes, true. I read some diaries and also some patient stories (some from lee) that some patients wanted 10-12 and when they got 6cm they said that was okay, and some wanted only 4 and endend up with 8. I think everyone wants the maximum, including myself. But you need to be conservative and do the maximum with safety, 14cm is already HUGE, getting problems for only 2cm more to be 16cm, it's not worth. But if you can get 16 with the same safety as 14cm, go ahead.
I think CLL with stryde is almost a nobel thing. It's a huge technology, stem cells will take years. So Stryde is the thing now.
Just set a range of goals imo. In the end it will not matter if you got 13, 14, 15 or 16cm but rather that you did it.
Quote from: nightstar on May 09, 2021, 07:22:31 PMKeep in mind, already LLS is shown to be stem cell growth. Not normal bone repair. This was the conclusion of the Stanford Medicine study. To create this reaction without breaking the bone is far away, but on the horizon. Not like Alcubiere (science fiction).
what is LLS? Do you refer to that synovial loading thing?
Quote from: RealLostSoul on May 09, 2021, 09:23:53 PMwhat is LLS? Do you refer to that synovial loading thing?
Limb Lengthening Surgery
Quote from: nightstar on May 09, 2021, 09:26:30 PMLimb Lengthening Surgery
oh wow my bad lol. Had you wrote LL or LLs and I wouldn't have misread that *facepalm*.
I am not sure what you are referring to though. Probably that the callous stems from the periosteum. LL in and of itself is secondary bone repair though so nothing you can trigger without breaking the bone.
The action of finally being able to change and take control in your life for something you once thought you were powerless for a long time- that is the most important thing people get out of LL. People want 8cm but even at 4cm they finally feel freedom and are apathetic to lengthening more, already gaining lifetimes worth of confidence and neurosis removal. This is the magic of LL, it's an amazing phenomenon. Being able to do something about something you originally thought was God's bad destiny for you.
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