Quote from: E Z on June 07, 2020, 11:22:37 PMWhy do you think they dont remove the nails in your country?
Do you think you can squat 300-400 lbs safely?
I don’t think you understand this fully.
My legs have healed.
Yes I can squat 300 pounds.
Removal is pointless. It’s putting your health at too high of risk.
Quote from: E Z on June 07, 2020, 08:00:05 PMMaybe a stupid question but I wonder if there’s a SMALL loss of height due to removal? What do you think?
I doubt it. Why would there be? The bone is fully healed and that's what determines your height.
Hello EZ,
Please look at page 20 of the link below and may answer your question
https://sa1s3.patientpop.com/assets/docs/126372.pdf
Thank you for writing your journal
As Paley puts it, removal timing is not crucial. Like Sweden is an example, nails in for 7 years and doing fine. You should get the nails removed eventually because idk maybe the nail hurts ur ass or u getting a lil bit less bone marrow area(doubt it lmao), but it's absolutely no rule to get it removed "a year or two after surgery," only a suggestion. And like op said, metal levels rose in blood, probably not anything significant but u should get it removed. But don't worry about having to get it removed one year or two years post op if it doesn't affect you, nothing will happen to you even if it stays in there for a while
Quote from: ghkid2019 on June 08, 2020, 12:44:15 AMAs Paley puts it, removal timing is not crucial. Like Sweden is an example, nails in for 7 years and doing fine. You should get the nails removed eventually because idk maybe the nail hurts ur ass or u getting a lil bit less bone marrow area(doubt it lmao), but it's absolutely no rule to get it removed "a year or two after surgery," only a suggestion. And like op said, metal levels rose in blood, probably not anything significant but u should get it removed. But don't worry about having to get it removed one year or two years post op if it doesn't affect you, nothing will happen to you even if it stays in there for a while
I don't know about the other nails, but every single Betz patients that I know took the nails out and everyone thinks it's like night and day. You feel better, you run better, you squat better, etc... without the nails. Frankly, I don't think anyone ever considered not taking the nails out.
I could definitely feel the nails when they were in and I would feel way more tired after working out.
It's not expensive, it's a simpler surgery and super fast. No reason to leave the nails. You may regret when you are old.
I noticed a difference as well. The legs seemed to have less internal pressure when doing certain tasks that put force on them.
in Fact every single person in this forum that I've personally read's opinion after removing the nails has been a positive one, they say it's much better and I'm sure it's true, our bone will not suffer from screw pains, It will bend the way it's naturally supposed to and also the nails weight a bit, it's like carrying a couple pounds extra in your legs, I'm sure that has some play in why one would feel better, lighter and more agile after they recover from the removal surgery.
Sincerely it sounds crazy, why you should prefer to keep the nail inside you? Trust your doctor, it's pointless. In addition I'm not sure but it could generate problems with exams such as MRI, even if probably most of the nail is made of titanium (that is not ferromagnetic). This post sounds to me like the people against the vaccination or even worse lol.
Anyway, have you (for those who have already removed them) kept the nails as a memory? I mean bring the nail to your house after the removal.
Please remove the Precice rods within 2 years if you have healed.
I had my operation with Paley and the removal with Dr. Rozbruch.
According to Paley’s website, some rate earth minerals inside the magnet in the rod might potentially leak into your bloodstream. The chances are low but it’s pointless to live with that risk when it can be avoided.
Dr. Roz said that the bone tissue is constantly growing and will grow around the rods, filling into all the crevices. This will make rod removal more complicated the longer you wait. They will have to “shave” more bone tissue away.
The removal operation was way easier than the main operating. I walked out of the hospital (with crutches for safety... they didn’t want me to fall). I only took 1 day off from work (Friday) and was back to work (w.o crutches) on Monday. My colleagues didn’t notice any limp.
(One of my legs got sore later in the week but that’s a different story). By 6 weeks after, I was back in the gym doing squats and deadlifts (I don’t remember the exact time but it’s in my diary).
My legs felt normal immediately after. The rods mess with the bone flexibility and will get in the way of full recovery.
TLDR: Get the rods removed.
Great info across the board from LL vets!
I'm in the process of planning and budgeting for my rod removal. For the actual op, I went with Paley and knowingly paid a substantial premium over other docs given the risk / reward assessment and going with the most reputable doc. In hindsight I'm happy with the decision even factoring in the premium of $20k to $30k as I'm happy with the outcome and am fully aware of the much higher risks/commitment involved in the initial op. In other words the cost / benefit and associated risk made sense to me paying top dollar for the initial op......
Question for all: Given the nature of the rod removal procedure, and assumed reduced complexity and related risks as compared to the initial op, what would you say the cost / benefit is with going with the right doc? Going with Paley right now would cost me around $18k, while there are other US docs that can possibly do the procedure for $14k, or even as low as $10k with the right insurance. Going a step further, I've heard you can get the removal done for around $5k with Dr. Giotikas in Greece.
A part of me thinking going with a US doc for the lowest possible fee (e.g. $10k to $14k) makes more sense than paying the Paley premium given the risk/nature of the procedure. Another part of me thinks, well if the procedure is that simple why not save even more money and go to Dr. G in Greece?
Would love to hear people who've had their rods removed thought process was when selecting a doc and budgeting for the removal op?
Thanks!
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