How much does LL improve attractiveness

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Quote from: Caerulean_Cyborg on September 10, 2022, 07:21:08 AMWell here is a graph that at least correlates with my experience. I don't know where they have the data from, but appears to be true.
Though it was no problem for me to find a girlfriend being only 171 cm, it always was love on "second sight" for her: I became interesting only after some time, while taller guys are interesting immediatly.

https://imgur.com/eaV71AI

Considering this most women who are in relationship with a short guy will think "I wish he was taller" or are fantasizing about other men in their social sorrounding. Really being sxxually attracted to a short guy seems to be quite impossible. There are women who accept not to be sxxually overly attracted to their partner, because the partner has other benefits (character).
But what kind of a feeling is it to know that she does not find you attractive but only likes your inner values?
In a relationship you should like both, the inner and outward values but small man can only have one. Thats why I do LL.

this is generally right, it also depends where you live, if you are in Vietnam, 175 would be tall enough, if you are in Holland, 185 yould be more prefered

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Yes.Do you think 175cm would allow someone to live without stress in most countries of the world?

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Quote from: rys1555 on September 10, 2022, 10:34:51 AMYes.Do you think 175cm would allow someone to live without stress in most countries of the world?

everyone here have or had stress

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Quote from: AimHigh on September 09, 2022, 11:53:39 AMI am happily married to a slim 5 4 ,beautiful 8/10 woman , I was never that interested in what other women thought of me, but for some reason I just really cared how I was perceived as a person by others, I am Caucasian with good proportions and slim,  I usually rate around 7/10 on looks based online and in-person assessments.
I am telling You all stuff as I noticed female interest has grown remarkably  since I have grown from 5 7 to 5 10.5, even from women in their 20'a and 30's (I am 56), I think at 5 7 I was automatically discounted as a potential romantic partner by most women, but now I am in their ideal/acceptable height "zone" they are suddenly checking my looks and career and showing interest (even though I have been married for 37 years) - frankly I am kinda disgusted by this change and am quite dismissive of their interest, I feel they are shallow as I am the same person I was at 5 7.
I am so glad I found a woman before my CLL as otherwise I would probably doubt her attraction to me as a person, and this might ruin our relationship eventually.

mate you got with your woman almost 40 years ago, why do you think your experience has anything to relate to current society 2 generations later?

you got your woman at an age before widespread internet usage, smartphones and social media, and she was 3 inches shorter than you so she wasnt that bummed out about it

not attacking you at all, its just like the boomer memes of "pull yourself by the bootstraps" and "just go in there and give the manager a firm handshake and you get the job!" which have absolutely no base in current reality

i say just enjoy the fact that you lived in a much better era

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Quote from: boklecrt on September 11, 2022, 01:43:27 AMmate you got with your woman almost 40 years ago, why do you think your experience has anything to relate to current society 2 generations later?

you got your woman at an age before widespread internet usage, smartphones and social media, and she was 3 inches shorter than you so she wasnt that bummed out about it

not attacking you at all, its just like the boomer memes of "pull yourself by the bootstraps" and "just go in there and give the manager a firm handshake and you get the job!" which have absolutely no base in current reality

i say just enjoy the fact that you lived in a much better era

I agree. Being 5'2.5 in current society as an adult male is comparable to being a leper. It's fine that he got his love and his wife, but society has changed so much these past decades. Boomers don't understand this at all.

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Quote from: boklecrt on September 11, 2022, 01:43:27 AMmate you got with your woman almost 40 years ago, why do you think your experience has anything to relate to current society 2 generations later?

you got your woman at an age before widespread internet usage, smartphones and social media, and she was 3 inches shorter than you so she wasnt that bummed out about it

not attacking you at all, its just like the boomer memes of "pull yourself by the bootstraps" and "just go in there and give the manager a firm handshake and you get the job!" which have absolutely no base in current reality

i say just enjoy the fact that you lived in a much better era

TLDR - I am an old bastard and agree it is tough out there for single short men , but not impossible !.

I am not offended my friend, I acknowledge the 80/90's were great decades for shorter men looking for LTR's.
 I am red pilled and fully aware dating has become even more superficial and selective since Tinder etc , I agree that 80% of women find only the top 20% of men to be attractive, so 8/10 men will struggle to find a decent woman as they are all off chasing "Chad",  however I also know that women hit the wall much earlier than men so peak attractiveness for guys is in your 30's (or later) and for women it is the early/mid 20's, accordingly I encourage guys to get their lives/career/finances in order and don't give up on relationships until at least your mid 30's.
I also believe a 4/10 woman can easily have a body count higher than a 8/10 guy and this gives her a false idea of her SMV - but the 4/10 woman will eventually get real as she ages and struggles to find a LTR guy whilst being aware her Biological clock is ticking away.
In my previous post I concluded that Male Height was very often a female prerequisite for attraction (regardless of face), I have a 5 7 , 65 kg,  son who is 27 and found himself a very attractive and intelligent 5 4 Girl (from his friend group) some 6 years ago, She is pursuing a Medical degree , they have a one year old daughter.
Ofc my stories are subjective, dated and anecdotal - but I have seen that some women (even Modern ones) don't care too much about height, so live life and don't give up on Love, BTW my Dad was 35 YO when he met my 25 YO Mother.

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Quote from: AimHigh on September 11, 2022, 11:22:00 AMTLDR - I am an old bastard and agree it is tough out there for single short men , but not impossible !.

I am not offended my friend, I acknowledge the 80/90's were great decades for shorter men looking for LTR's.
 I am red pilled and fully aware dating has become even more superficial and selective since Tinder etc , I agree that 80% of women find only the top 20% of men to be attractive, so 8/10 men will struggle to find a decent woman as they are all off chasing "Chad",  however I also know that women hit the wall much earlier than men so peak attractiveness for guys is in your 30's (or later) and for women it is the early/mid 20's, accordingly I encourage guys to get their lives/career/finances in order and don't give up on relationships until at least your mid 30's.
I also believe a 4/10 woman can easily have a body count higher than a 8/10 guy and this gives her a false idea of her SMV - but the 4/10 woman will eventually get real as she ages and struggles to find a LTR guy whilst being aware her Biological clock is ticking away.
In my previous post I concluded that Male Height was very often a female prerequisite for attraction (regardless of face), I have a 5 7 , 65 kg,  son who is 27 and found himself a very attractive and intelligent 5 4 Girl (from his friend group) some 6 years ago, She is pursuing a Medical degree , they have a one year old daughter.
Ofc my stories are subjective, dated and anecdotal - but I have seen that some women (even Modern ones) don't care too much about height, so live life and don't give up on Love, BTW my Dad was 35 YO when he met my 25 YO Mother.

its nice knowing we have some red pilled guys on here, makes for easier conversation. it is however forbidden on this particular forum so we shouldn’t overdo it

i just have to say your 5’7 son was smart to get with a girl from his social circle and if i understood he is a doctor so of course running future millionaire doctor game never hurts

normal women who dont think all short guys need to be gassed do exist, they are unicorns and they get snatched up for long term relationships fairly quickly into their late teens and early 20s. your absolute top priority as his father is to make sure he keeps his head screwed on straight and doesnt get some stupid ideas like dumping her or cheating and stuff, because getting back on the market would be a nightmare even for a doctor

you wont believe how much id pay to get back in time and live out my prime years 2 decades earlier before all this current shyte happened

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He is a nurse now (and a really great Dad), but he was an unemployed bum living at home and playing/creating video games all day when they first got together, but yes he quickly realised that he needed to change if he hoped to keep her - and to his credit he went off to Nursing School (He won Student of the Year  and was Student Rep. as well) and got his car licence in quick order lol.
I think too many women nowadays have an inflated idea of thier SMV, and too many Simp's are only making things worse, my son really loves this Girl (and She loves him) and being with her has made him a better man, he is very competent in all he does (he was just not motiviated when single) I think he will rise to the top in his career, I will kick his ass if he goes chasing other women - but atm i just can't see that happening...

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Simps are the root of modern dating problems... highly attractive guys were always super successful with women but before the simp epidemic most women were content with average men. Now days since they recieve infinite attention o social media, their ego and smv is highly inflated. On the positive note, most of these women who are addicted to social media, arent worth more than a ONS.

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Quote from: informationispower on September 11, 2022, 01:18:02 PMSimps are the root of modern dating problems... highly attractive guys were always super successful with women but before the simp epidemic most women were content with average men. Now days since they recieve infinite attention o social media, their ego and smv is highly inflated. On the positive note, most of these women who are addicted to social media, arent worth more than a ONS.

Simps doesn't matter. I'm 5'2. There was never a chance for me, simps or not.