I would do 4 femurs and 4 tibias if i were you that should get you at 5'9 and a half to 5'10 and with footwear you'll be an inch taller. One thing you need to consider is if you want to do more you will for sure need to stop working out your legs and lose muscle on you legs. before surgery. The more muscle you have the more tighter your muscles will be and will make the lengthening process more harder with discomfort. Especially quad lengthening. Benefit of quad lengthening though is your proportions will look great and your biomechanics wont be affected for squats and lunges as much as doing one segment.
Introduction, 169cm 29y/o, Looking for 8-10cm gain, would love your opinion!
@guy_incognito: no I am definitely not fat. BF% I'm probably 18% right now. So visible abs and such, mostly just not vascular. Been lifting weights for probably 15 years, am floating between intermediate and expert in all my lifts (using strength standards). I hear you on the appetite thing though-- i have an insane appetite, and I'm either muscular or chubby, depending on whether or not I'm diligently training. Oh and I am located in NYC rn. PS how tall did you end up getting to and what procedure? And how is life now on the other side for you? I'm trying to really analyze how worth it this all is since it's an insane commitment.
@reaching_goals: Okay I see. This is good to know. Thank you. I didn't know that having more muscle was such a bad thing.
I'm around ur height but only 60kg , I also plan on doing LL in 2 years from now
Quote from: CuteIsNotWhatWeAimFor on September 23, 2023, 08:51:36 PM@guy_incognito: no I am definitely not fat. BF% I'm probably 18% right now. So visible abs and such, mostly just not vascular. Been lifting weights for probably 15 years, am floating between intermediate and expert in all my lifts (using strength standards). I hear you on the appetite thing though-- i have an insane appetite, and I'm either muscular or chubby, depending on whether or not I'm diligently training. Oh and I am located in NYC rn. PS how tall did you end up getting to and what procedure? And how is life now on the other side for you? I'm trying to really analyze how worth it this all is since it's an insane commitment.
@reaching_goals: Okay I see. This is good to know. Thank you. I didn't know that having more muscle was such a bad thing.
Doing 4 cm on femurs and and 4 cm on tibias is silly. Don't do that. Just do 8cm on femurs. Femurs heal quickly and recover well. Tibias are much more likely to result in complications, heal slowly, and will impact your athleticism more. Not to mention doubling the amount of surgeries (4 instead of 2). Quad is really for patients who want to do like 10cm+.
Having more muscle makes the process more painful, but it's by no means a "bad" thing. You're going to lose a bunch of leg muscle anyways as part of the process. I was literally doing 350+ lb squats the week leading up to my surgery lol. My first two weeks post-surgery were hell pain-wise, but fine afterwards.
And yeah if you can get your weight down that's ideal. Although depending on when you do the surgery, the new Precice Max nails that support up to 250 pounds will be released and your weight won't matter quite as much.
I dont know how far are you into medical help, but I make it easier for myself with ozempic. Also, Ive heard that in the US have astronomical prices for LL. I dont know if you are willing to travel, but any good doctor with a precice device will do. Plenty of those in europe for 30K-100K USD. Its the crazy people that go to turkey to get butchered with externals. But than again, whatever suits you.
As for the commitment, I wouldnt say its that bad. Im 2.5 months post surgery, Im almost done with the distraction phase. I've gained 4.3cm on my tibias. Its easier then it sounds, my doc says I might be able to walk in less than 2 months. Right now Im able to walk with crutches, doing short walks (up to a kilometre). I am able to work remotely and lift. Its not that bad.
@guy_incognito: I've heard that doing internals on tibia is tricky and that external on tibia is safer. What are your thoughts on the matter?
Quote from: CuteIsNotWhatWeAimFor on September 25, 2023, 07:06:56 PM@guy_incognito: I've heard that doing internals on tibia is tricky and that external on tibia is safer. What are your thoughts on the matter?
As a former veteral LLer I can assure you that this is true. External tibias, if you are ok with some bulky fixators for about 9-10 monthhs (for 6cm) is the best way for tibias, the safest, the less painful and the cheapest.
And for 8cm either do femurs only or if you get both segments go for at least 12cm (6.5 femurs, 5.5 tibias) which is the absolute minimum gain that makes it worth for me. 2 segments for 8cm only is a joke.
what do you think about for 10cm? Really I just want to hit 5'10, where under zero circumstances in the US would I be considered short.
I would only accept 8cm if there were complications, and I've heard that some people who do femur only cannot hit 8cm due to complications.
If after all of this stuff I couldn't even reach 177cm, I would be absolutely devastated. This is why I was thinking quad, so that in worst case scenario (soft tissue / body acceptance wise), I still hit 8cm min. 8cm is like best case scenario for femur only, no?
Not saying it doesn’t happen ever, but it is uncommon for someone to not be able to hit 8cm on femurs due to doctor stoppage with Precice.
Quote from: CuteIsNotWhatWeAimFor on September 25, 2023, 09:04:21 PMwhat do you think about for 10cm? Really I just want to hit 5'10, where under zero circumstances in the US would I be considered short.
I would only accept 8cm if there were complications, and I've heard that some people who do femur only cannot hit 8cm due to complications.
If after all of this stuff I couldn't even reach 177cm, I would be absolutely devastated. This is why I was thinking quad, so that in worst case scenario (soft tissue / body acceptance wise), I still hit 8cm min. 8cm is like best case scenario for femur only, no?
8cm is the safest max limit for most doctos(other doctors go above 8cm to even 10cm+ but just go with less). There are various reasons why people stop though at around 5cm to 6cm most of the time, usually it's only down to pain, proportions, and plausible long-term adverse effects. While 8cm is still "relatively safe", it's no secret that the less lengthening, the less possible complications in the future or ill-effects that can happen like early onset arthritis. Which is why 5 to 6 is usually the stopping point, because less than that will feel like the cost to the operation and stress isn't worth it below 5cm, basically it's the "sweet spot". That's not to say there aren't people who do less than 5cm, but usually those people are the ones who couldn't tolerate going past 4cm, fwiw though you still gained height so that's a win even if you didn't meet that goal.
Quad can be a mixed-bag there and usually isn't worth less than 4cm for femurs. I'd say You either go 5cm on femurs and tibia or 6cm on femurs and 4cm on tibia for a total minimum of 10cm. Ignoring costs, 4+4cm isn't worth the effort and pain you'll go through quad lengthening and it's a lot more dangerous even if you are able to lengthen as slow as you can(without early union) for soft tissue to catch up, as well as consolidation will take longer than just bilateral lengthening because you're effectively disabled from the waist down, so it'll be a lot harder to do physical therapy. If you really are set on the 4+4 or even 10cm, just go with two separate bilateral lengthening. Even if you went under two surgeries, it'll still be separate and will be safer. You can do femurs first and after 1 year or more to post-consolidation, tibias next. It's also good to just start with bilateral lengthening to see if you are able to tolerate the pain and do physical therapy without much of a problem, and if you are still not satisfied with your post-op height, atleast after that you'll be able to decide if you still want to do tibial lengthening or not. This is one of my personal plans as well, to do two bilateral lengthenings if I'm not satisfied with femur lengthening alone.
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