Since I was very unflexible before the operation I was stretching 6 months before the operation for one hour a day. I guess it helps but it is overrated.
It depends more on the individual.
I met maybe 50 patients till now. And every individual has his own problems.
I got away quickly with the spread legs, when bending knees came.
Bending knees goes quickly away in general but unfortunately I got also a huge duckass.
From the 10cm plus patients, Not all of them get it to such an extend. But Dr. Betz will let you know later in the process for how much you can go.
I met one small Chinese guy who was able to care a chair after 1 month operation.
Or one fat and small Arab girl who could walk after 3 months when she stopped lengthening.
Another plus 10 patient who did definitely to much had spread legs right when he got out of the hospital. This poor guy could not walk for 2 months . He had to hop with ballerina legs and had to enter sideways the door or elevator. 5 months after lengthening he did not need the crutches anymore.
This goes also for the paintolerance or bone healing.
I was the only one from the operation day till now who had only minor pain issues.
I used to take a pain killer before i slept. So my legs are not restless. But after 2 months I stoped to take any pain killers.
Other patients had headaches, needed to womit. Cried. They described there pain as if the leg is an opend wound. And every little touch hurts. Also they where not able to get a proper massage or to go hard on them at physio.
Some had to knock of themselves with tilidin. Some took 4 times a day tramadol.
I guess I should not complain about my situation😂😂.
A couple of days I talked to a friend of mine who did 11cm.
He had always a duck ass and his legs where like a tree trunk but no bending knees. His operation is more then one year ago but he can walk for 2.5 hours now. He sill has some tens muscles but I guess some more months and than he is fine.
Reaching new heights with Betz 2018
Quote from: amaar on July 05, 2018, 08:29:06 AMI feel you.
But my condition after I was done with clicking was very bad. My starting height was 176cm.
I increased 10.3. and the bending knees combined with my duckass made me 174cm tall 😂.
Based from my catastrophic condition I am Superman now.😂😂😂
So I think you will do great the next two months. There will be some weeks where your body does not get better and some where you make a jump.
For example yesterday I could bend my left leg almost to my back.
I used to have problems with it because of a little tensor pain during Lengthening. I tried so hard for each degree more and suddenly I made a huge jump. As if I would work years for it.
If you need to use your hips to walk without crutches (like a Pinguine) I would recommend you to wait with walking till your duckass is getting in a better condition.
But I gues Dr. Beetz told you already.
Wish u all the best
that sound really good, i heard also form some patients that they had a recovery boost sometimes.And yes i am walking like a penguin and i must definitely use my crutches. even if i don't want to, just a few steps is possible for testing myself.
Quote from: wishadream on July 05, 2018, 09:05:54 AMHi Constantine. congratulations because of passing the most difficult step. I am pretty sure you wont regrent doing the surgery.
Being tall is something completely different than other advantages and really changes even how other people look at you.
Regarding to duck ass, I heard there is a technical surgery so called "releasing IT band". Did dr Betz perform it on you?
If , in case, duck ass does not go away with time and physio, what are possible solutions?
being tall is really great , it is really priceless. And this is the only thing what gives me the strength to stay strong. I am now almost half a year on crutches and it really sucks. But i must say the lengthening phase was definitely the hardest time with all that pain.
I know this IT Band release and asked Dr Betz about it already. Dr Betz is not doing this surgery because of the danger of long term damages.
Duck ass will go away but it takes time. You need to work on it with your pt and by yourself . I notice that it gets better but really slow.
Quote from: amaar on July 05, 2018, 11:01:27 AMHi wishadream.
Dr. Betz mentioned two patients where they did a surgery for the it bands.
As I understood it right, they make several cuts to the bend which will heal again. So it releases pressure to the it bands. If the it bands are coming along with nerve pain, another solution would be to decrease the length again.
As mentioned above i have lengthened 10,3. It was tempting since I did had no pain and clicking was rly easy. I did not wanted to realize how my condition went so bad. And when I made my x rays lying (my legs where not straight enough to stand). It looked like i did 12cm. So I was scared to click more.
After 3 months I did another x ray while standing and it said 10.3which is also written on my clicking sheet.
My solution for duck ass is, to stop lengthening if it gets to crazy.
Duck ass started at 6cm because I had bending knees before. I should have stopped at 6cm.
My it bands are as hard as a steel cable. During my worst condition they where popping out of my body😂
Solution for my duck ass situation right now:
Lying on the stomache, getting rid of belly fat. Training the antagonist muscles. Butt training and stomage. But I am not allowed to make crunches. Shoulder training and a bit lower back training. Chest training is also bad for duckass.
Maybe give my body some time.
This is something which takes at least 3 more years to go away.
My IT bands were also like steel cables 
now they are much more released.
What you mean with 3 more years?? 
Quote from: amaar on July 05, 2018, 03:05:52 PMSince I was very unflexible before the operation I was stretching 6 months before the operation for one hour a day. I guess it helps but it is overrated.
It depends more on the individual.
I met maybe 50 patients till now. And every individual has his own problems.
I got away quickly with the spread legs, when bending knees came.
Bending knees goes quickly away in general but unfortunately I got also a huge duckass.
From the 10cm plus patients, Not all of them get it to such an extend. But Dr. Betz will let you know later in the process for how much you can go.
I met one small Chinese guy who was able to care a chair after 1 month operation.
Or one fat and small Arab girl who could walk after 3 months when she stopped lengthening.
Another plus 10 patient who did definitely to much had spread legs right when he got out of the hospital. This poor guy could not walk for 2 months . He had to hop with ballerina legs and had to enter sideways the door or elevator. 5 months after lengthening he did not need the crutches anymore.
This goes also for the paintolerance or bone healing.
I was the only one from the operation day till now who had only minor pain issues.
I used to take a pain killer before i slept. So my legs are not restless. But after 2 months I stoped to take any pain killers.
Other patients had headaches, needed to womit. Cried. They described there pain as if the leg is an opend wound. And every little touch hurts. Also they where not able to get a proper massage or to go hard on them at physio.
Some had to knock of themselves with tilidin. Some took 4 times a day tramadol.
I guess I should not complain about my situation😂😂.
A couple of days I talked to a friend of mine who did 11cm.
He had always a duck ass and his legs where like a tree trunk but no bending knees. His operation is more then one year ago but he can walk for 2.5 hours now. He sill has some tens muscles but I guess some more months and than he is fine.
thanks for the detailed informations amaar!
you're right LL depends more on individual and everyone is different. My Roommate lengthened 9 cm and has no wide legs and a little duckass what is actually not noticeable.But he has not so much bone healing.
But how did you met 50 Patients till now?
One of the reasons why i stopped at 8,3cm was my wide legs and huge duckass. I couldn't go for more , my body couldn't take it. My wide legs started quite early i think at 2-3 cm. My duckass was noticeable from 5-6cm on.
Your friend who did 11 cm who had also duck ass , when he started to walk without crutches almost normal? and when his duckass was gone?
And how was your improvement of your duckass? If i say for me and say after clicking was the worst like 10 it is now at 7.
I had always the impression also from Dr Betz that 3 month after clicking everything will be fine and we can walk normal. I never knew that it can take also year.
My 11cm friends duckass is not gone.
it reached a status where he is able to walk again.
Duckass is an extended form of hyperlordosis.
once u get rid of your duck ass which in my case will hopefully be gone next year, i will still have a hollow cross. After the lengthening phase your improvements will come into smaller steps from a visible standpoint.
To get a straight back again needs a lot of time. The iliopsoas is a nasty muscle to stretch. so I guess 3 years is realistic to walk "perfect again"
But since your it bands are already soft i guess you have a good genetic or maybe u stopped at the right time with clicking.
Before my operation I met some patients of Dr Betz and some of Dr. Baumgart. At my hospital stay (14days) I met some other patients who did the operation during the same time but more patients who did after me the operation. Since my condition was so good (no pain, good mood and very active), and during my visits at elke I met again some more patients.
Every time I went for x rays i met two or three patients. Till my condition was so bad that I had to hide in the xray waiting room, so future patients should not see me 
In addition I went 9 weeks to a rehab center, the name I can not tell, where I met a lot of patients.
And the doctor introduced us to some former patients.
If my duckass condition after clicking was 10 as the worst now its maybe a 7.
If my bending knees condition after clicking was a 10 now its a 1.
Quote from: amaar on July 05, 2018, 11:18:49 PMMy 11cm friends duckass is not gone.
it reached a status where he is able to walk again.
Duckass is an extended form of hyperlordosis.
once u get rid of your duck ass which in my case will hopefully be gone next year, i will still have a hollow cross. After the lengthening phase your improvements will come into smaller steps from a visible standpoint.
To get a straight back again needs a lot of time. The iliopsoas is a nasty muscle to stretch. so I guess 3 years is realistic to walk "perfect again"
But since your it bands are already soft i guess you have a good genetic or maybe u stopped at the right time with clicking.
Before my operation I met some patients of Dr Betz and some of Dr. Baumgart. At my hospital stay (14days) I met some other patients who did the operation during the same time but more patients who did after me the operation. Since my condition was so good (no pain, good mood and very active), and during my visits at elke I met again some more patients.
Every time I went for x rays i met two or three patients. Till my condition was so bad that I had to hide in the xray waiting room, so future patients should not see me
In addition I went 9 weeks to a rehab center, the name I can not tell, where I met a lot of patients.
And the doctor introduced us to some former patients.
If my duckass condition after clicking was 10 as the worst now its maybe a 7.
If my bending knees condition after clicking was a 10 now its a 1.
how long does it take for your friend after he stopped clicking to be able to walk again like now?
i mean i know that it takes more time until we can walk perfect without any duck ass.but my thought was to walk normal with a little duckass which is not noticeable that much after 3 month. my pt said it takes minimum 6 month after clicking. but this is individual , apo from old forum had a huge duckass which was almost gone after 10 weeks. he posted a photo from his development every week. Anyway i totally underrated the duckass and nobody told me that it can take so many time or maybe 3 years. On the other hand its now 1 month and 11 days that i stopped clicking. I will know more after one month If my duckass gets noticeable better or not. i take photos every second week. I tried to send you but in private message it was not possible.
My It bands next to my knees are still hard but not that much as during the clicking phase. My upper IT bands are soft , if i would have gone to 10cm they would have popped out as yours i think.
Can you walk without crutches if you want ? I mean do you have enough leg strength and accept duckass is it easy for you to walk. Do you use all the time the crutches?
Congratulations on a smooth lengthening process. I can relate to alot of your journey. I had surgery done with Dr. Betz recently and im at 4,3cm right now and aiming for around 8cm. Im feeling very little pain but i have developed wide legs recently. I haven't been clicking now for two days because i thought its easier to stretch the it band that way. I can walk without crutches and if i just manage to fix my wide legs i can walk normal.
Do you have any recommendations for me relating to wide legs? how did you get rid of your wide legs?
Quote from: tallertree on July 06, 2018, 09:03:07 PMCongratulations on a smooth lengthening process. I can relate to alot of your journey. I had surgery done with Dr. Betz recently and im at 4,3cm right now and aiming for around 8cm. Im feeling very little pain but i have developed wide legs recently. I haven't been clicking now for two days because i thought its easier to stretch the it band that way. I can walk without crutches and if i just manage to fix my wide legs i can walk normal.
Do you have any recommendations for me relating to wide legs? how did you get rid of your wide legs?
thanks. wish you the best for your lengthening tallertree!
do you stay at Elkes house or are you lengthening at home now?
I stretched with my pt because stretching alone the it bands during lengthening was really difficult for me.
i have still wide legs and the duck ass relates to the wide legs.When i lie on my back and put my legs together i have a hollow cross. This is the way how the body corrects everything by himself and makes space for the shortened muscles and it bands. But it is not that much as during the lengthening. during lengthening you can't do anything to reduce the wide legs.Its a fight you can't win. of course you should stretch the it bands and everything else etc but this is just to try that your legs do not split too much. Because the lengthening process is such a huge intervention in the Muscles and IT bands its not possible to correct this with a little bit stretching. It also depends from your genetics and it is very individual. I did pt 5 times a week but my wide legs was still getting wider and wider. My roommate never did pt but he has almost no wide legs and no duckass.
But the good news is after clicking the first thing my body started to correct was my wide legs. My legs are shoulder wide now when i stay. I can also put them together with almost no pain when i stay, this was not possible before. But when i put them together my duckass pops out . But during lengthening my duckass was popping out plus my legs was extrem wide.
For me Wide legs is not a big issue,the duckass is the most worst 
Quote from: Constantine on July 07, 2018, 08:44:46 PMthanks. wish you the best for your lengthening tallertree!
do you stay at Elkes house or are you lengthening at home now?
I stretched with my pt because stretching alone the it bands during lengthening was really difficult for me.
i have still wide legs and the duck ass relates to the wide legs.When i lie on my back and put my legs together i have a hollow cross. This is the way how the body corrects everything by himself and makes space for the shortened muscles and it bands. But it is not that much as during the lengthening. during lengthening you can't do anything to reduce the wide legs.Its a fight you can't win. of course you should stretch the it bands and everything else etc but this is just to try that your legs do not split too much. Because the lengthening process is such a huge intervention in the Muscles and IT bands its not possible to correct this with a little bit stretching. It also depends from your genetics and it is very individual. I did pt 5 times a week but my wide legs was still getting wider and wider. My roommate never did pt but he has almost no wide legs and no duckass.
But the good news is after clicking the first thing my body started to correct was my wide legs. My legs are shoulder wide now when i stay. I can also put them together with almost no pain when i stay, this was not possible before. But when i put them together my duckass pops out . But during lengthening my duckass was popping out plus my legs was extrem wide.
For me Wide legs is not a big issue,the duckass is the most worst
Thanks:)
I was at Elkes house for 2 weeks but im back home now. I try to stretch both with my PT and when im home and i have managed to fix the wide legs a bit actually. I told Dr. Betz about it and i asked him if i should pause the clicking, but he suggested to reduce the clicking to half speed instead and i started with that today and it feels good. This way i can fix the wide legs a bit.
About duckass, when did you get it and what should i do to avoid it?
Quote from: tallertree on July 07, 2018, 09:38:46 PMThanks:)
I was at Elkes house for 2 weeks but im back home now. I try to stretch both with my PT and when im home and i have managed to fix the wide legs a bit actually. I told Dr. Betz about it and i asked him if i should pause the clicking, but he suggested to reduce the clicking to half speed instead and i started with that today and it feels good. This way i can fix the wide legs a bit.
About duckass, when did you get it and what should i do to avoid it?
I reduced also clicking from 20 to 15 clicks after 5 cm. That helped a lot to reduce the pain . And I splitted the clicks.
My duckass started round about 5 cm.
I think you can’t do anything to avoid it.if your lucky and have the right genetics you never get duck ass. Stretching your quadriceps should help to keep it low as possible.
hey Guys,
In 13 days its my 6 month after clicking. I can walk without crutches but far away from normal. I compensate my duckass with power.
Compared to other patients my leg strengh is/was never an issue also not bone healing. I have a 13mm nail anyways.
My biggest problem was always flexibility.
But most LL patients are (i dont know how to say this nice) weaklings.
Low pain tolerance, less leg muscles but higher flexibility. Some are bending there legs in such a position I would never be able to reach. 
Dr Betz said before the operation that the patients need 3 to 6 months after clicking to walk.
in my case since I did 10+ obviously 6 months.
But I consider real walking not 5 minutes long with duckass and pressure on the lower back. 
I consider walking, halfway normal walking with a slide duckass for 30 minutes.
I would be happy if this would be possible in the next 4 months.
But I think you will be fine after 2, 3 months. Dont try to push your self too hard. its easier that way.
I for myself accepted that i am handicapped and that my body needs time, time, time.
It took one 10+ friend 5 months after cllicking the other one 6 months.
Quote from: amaar on July 10, 2018, 09:44:42 PMhey Guys,
In 13 days its my 6 month after clicking. I can walk without crutches but far away from normal. I compensate my duckass with power.
Compared to other patients my leg strengh is/was never an issue also not bone healing. I have a 13mm nail anyways.
My biggest problem was always flexibility.
But most LL patients are (i dont know how to say this nice) weaklings.
Low pain tolerance, less leg muscles but higher flexibility. Some are bending there legs in such a position I would never be able to reach.
Dr Betz said before the operation that the patients need 3 to 6 months after clicking to walk.
in my case since I did 10+ obviously 6 months.
But I consider real walking not 5 minutes long with duckass and pressure on the lower back.
I consider walking, halfway normal walking with a slide duckass for 30 minutes.
I would be happy if this would be possible in the next 4 months.
But I think you will be fine after 2, 3 months. Dont try to push your self too hard. its easier that way.
I for myself accepted that i am handicapped and that my body needs time, time, time.
It took one 10+ friend 5 months after cllicking the other one 6 months.
Hey amaar, I hope you can walk normal asap.
My bone healing is also not an issue but as yours at this moment my duckass makes it impossible to walk more then 5 steps without crutches .
How is your weekly improvement in relation to the end of clicking ? Is the improvement since you stopped clicking linear or is it much better for example since the 3rd month after clicking.
And you wrote in your case you can walk obviously 6 month after clicking. So in 13 days you think you can walk normal ? But now you can’t ?
For me my improvement until now is very slow and linear. In two weeks it’s 2 month that I stopped clicking. I really don’t know what to expect but From this stand It seems unbelievable that I can walk without crutches in 6 weeks. But I hope so.
But you’re right I shouldn’t push it too hard . It just needs time 
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