First off, I am not a troll. I am on the fence about LL. I will believe in LL after Dr. Kevin Debiparshad gets LL for himself. that will give me 100% confidence. Until then I will keep saving. I start my first job soon!
Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is (respectfully) :
- 5'7 tall. quite short in America
- a well accomplished limb length surgeon. the best world class eduacation. He knows this stuff like not many!
- he does not believe in height dysphoria. Thinks that this is like any other cosmetic surgery. You can get it just to get benefits of being taller and look better. See his "cyborg4life" interview on this topic linked below.
- he firmly believes that there will no long term complications of this surgery (see the DOCTORS show interview linked below.
- he is well off. he is in demand. he does LL and spine surgeries and makes a ton of money. can easily afford this procedure. seriously, someone who has his qualifications and reviews (check the internet) probably makes $50 grand a month!
see his videos
- he believes it's a minimally invasive procedure
- he and his office recommends that 2 weeks after this you can go back to normal life like standing and walking around. He in fact did this procedure on a plastic surgeon patient who went to back to his surgeries 2 weeks after LL.
I actually see him as an idol. I'm also short like him but I"m also happy like him. I am still young but I want to become successful like him.
Him getting it done to become 5'9 would give me all the confidence I need.
why would he not get this done? would it not be strange if he doesn't get it done?
refrain from replying if you're not interested in a rational discussion. And I have not disrespectfully dug up anything about him. All this is publicly available info and videos that he has himself published.
Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Quote from: KiloKAHN on September 05, 2020, 08:36:42 AMMoney, power, fame, success or a combo of the above will make you attractive to the opposite sxx in ways that make up for not being tall. 5'7" isn't super short in the USA anyway. I'm 5'7" post CLL, and once I was able to walk around looking totally normal I had more sxx in a week than I had in my entire life pre-CLL. I honestly don't even know if femur lengthening on top of it would be all that beneficial compared to the cost. A 5'7" orthopedic surgeon in the USA wouldn't need CLL to be totally satisfied with his life.
His fame success and money and power all have come from his profession of doing limb length surgery to make people taller. He will probably do dozens more of "DOCTORS" shows, dozens of interviews, dozens of media articles written about him and what not. it is just awkward to do this specific procedure for a living but be short yourself, even if you are famous, successful and rich.
This argument would not hold if he was a real estate agent or he was an app developer. but his profession is so closely tied to human height. don't you agree?
Imagine this::
Imagine a super successful nose surgeon (rhinoplasty), 10s of million bucks in wealth, happily married, powerful (connected with celebrities and politicians). Does interviews on top TV channels, explains how rhinoplasty works, is safe, what makes an attractive nose, what are the benefits of a good nose in society, brings celebrity patients who did rhinoplasty with him, showcases them. But, in all this, the surgeon's nose is itself crooked. Or is flat. or too wide.
No one is perfect and no one "needs" to change anything. but isn't it strange if this nose surgeon never gets his nose "Fixed" as per rhinoplasty?
Doesnt it cause you to doubt rhinoplasty itself? shouldnt such a surgeon have "skin in the game" ?
Quote from: wannabeidol on September 05, 2020, 04:55:52 PMthis is kind of a silly arguement
if he is happy with his height, why would he need the procedure?
even if he did get the procedure, it would be another surgeon performing the operation, so it wouldnt showcase his skills as a surgeon.
your skin in the game example dosnt make sense,
would you not trust an oncologist if he has never had chemotherapy himself?
how about psychiatrist who has never taken antidepressants?
Not a good comparison. depression and cancer are diseases. no doctor who treats them would recommend that treatment to "anyone". it's not like you hear a psychiatrist come on TV and say "here are some new antidepressants from a pharma company, anyone can take them, there are no side effects, bad mood can spoil your life, so taking these can improve your life, most patients report feeling extremely happy after taking them"
That is pretty much how Kevin Debiparshad is offering this treatment. He stresses that it requires hard work, etc but he recommends it to "anyone". no need of any "illness". He doesnt believe in "height dysphoria" or any such "medical condition". I like that kind of confidence about offering a procedure. but why doesnt he do it himself?
I know he cant operate on himself lol. But surely it's not such an experimental surgery that he isn't the only one who can do it well? he has the best network of doctors. He can go to Paley, Rozbruch or anyone. They are all friends. Unless he believes that he is the only surgeon in the world who can offer this surgery safely. That would be pure narcissism. He has been practicing for 4 years only. He cant possibly be the "best" even though I think he is very skilled. Im sure he would agree on this.
There was also this interview where he claimed to be 5'10. (this was something that was posted from his insta account)
why would someone add 3 inches to their real height if they were comfortable with their original height? I have feeling it would be awkward for him to admit hes 5'7 in an interview on t he radio about his cosmetic leg length surgery practice. Easily understandable. I would feel that way too!
ghkid and wannabeidol: read about ad hominem fallacy. When you can't argue logically, you attack the person. Easy.
Imagine someone sold you a get rich risk free investment scheme with posters of yatchs and mansions and hot women. But the person selling it himself poor. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.
Imagine someone sold you a tax software. It is claimed to be error free and safe to use. Some effort to learn and some money to buy but after that makes things better. But the person selling doesn't use it. He uses a human accountant. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.
Imagine a hair doc sold you pills to stop hairloss. He says it's risk free and thousands of his patients use it without side effects. You see that he is himself bald. George Constanza bald. He has not taken the pill. He always wears a nice hat to make public TV appearances. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.
Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 06, 2020, 06:03:42 AMHe already said in the other video that you're getting the height and you're trading it for something, it's not free. That's potentially some depreciation in that athletic ability.
So yes, there is at least one long-term side effect of this surgery.
And the patient confirmed that it's a painful procedure.
While I agree that 5'7" is an ok height for an Indian, I bet Debiparshad would definitely take a couple more inches if there was a safe, painless mean to do so. You have a point here that this surgery is not without risks and sacrifices and he knows it.
When asked about long term complications, he says if you are high level athlete you might lose some of that. He frequently mentions that if you are a high level athlete who wants that "nanosecond" edge over a competitor then this surgery is not for you. He also told on the "DOCTORS" show that there are studies that show there is no long term damage to joints. He also said no one patient has regretted it.
I have been watching his interviews closely. It is very clear that with the modern minimally invasive technology you will completely recover except if you need very high level athleticism. I doubt a full time 40+ surgeon would want any of that.
He even mentions the pain is manageable. he has this plastic surgeon patient (who also appeared on a tv show) who went to be doing surgeries just 2 weeks after leg length surgery.
It requires hard work for sure. but nothing a man with that much discipline and hard work (I Mean look at his resume) can't do.
5'7 is probably not a big deal in Amerca. But for someone to be this very field of cosmetic medicine and not consider doing this procedure is suspicious
Quote from: wannabeidol on September 06, 2020, 06:59:35 AM
you seem to really have it out for debiparshad
if you dont like him, pick a different doc
you seem to have very weak logical abilities. Like someone who would invest $30k bucks in an investment because some guy in a suit guaranteed you 50% yearly returns.
after all my examples, and explanation you cant say anything better that this.
Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 06, 2020, 07:35:51 AMWhether you're a high level athlete or not. Fact is you're gonna lose some of your athleticism. And that's a price to pay.
If I buy an apartment that includes a swimming pool for a price. I still want the pool to exist regardless of whether I will use it or not.
And I don't understand why do with him in the first place?
He's expensive. I think almost like Paley.
And he's very inexperienced. I read he only has 12 CLL cases or so.
And these 12 patients not regretting it so far doesn't really mean anything as they haven't lived long enough to experience to possible long-term consequences.
Why do it with him? Look at his resume! And he is currently cheaper than Paley.
Are you saying he is lying or misrepresenting facts then? His interviews and web articles are out there. He clearly makes it like you will be fine after this is done unless you require high level nanosecond atheltic ability.
ghkid, ghkid, ghkid,
I am not asking about other docs because they are not short. Simple. Please dont take this to be mean some kind of discrimination lol. I am also short and I bet you are too.
I cant use Paley in all this because:
- he is 6 foot
- he coined the phrase height dysphoria. he believes anyone at any height can feel the want to do this for psych reasons. He considers it be a mental illness. Debiparshad on the other hand is offering it like its good for any one as a "risk free enhancement" to their lives.
and for the 200th time, I think Debiparshad is a great doctor. I would feel relatively safe under his care. I also dont mean any disrespect. As I said in the first post, his achievements are extra ordinary. He is also a cool guy (from his TV shows). Almost like how anyone who wish to become like.
I cant speak for all other doctors and cosmetic surgeons. Leg length is only surgery I will ever do if at all. I will not do it anywhere else but in America.
ghkid,ghkid,ghkid,
I feel just as comfortable going to Debiparshad as I am going to Mahboubian even though he has less years of experience and is....... shorter. there is no discrimination.
if you cant understand this, you should check your IQ.
anyway the point of this thread was to highlight a lack of skin in the game in this rare dangerous surgery.
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