Betz Institute literally claims they can go for a maximum of up to 12 cm on femurs. Since that is way over the safe limit of 8 cm advised by many, how realistic is that? Are there people who've went to Dr. Betz and successfully recovered after such amount?
Quote from: DanishViking on July 29, 2023, 08:21:11 PMIf you do that you screw yourself up and are signing yourself up for early arthisis and joint problems. Just don't, stick to the 8 cms. You could properly pull it off if your starting height is 190 cm, but if you LL at that point your in the top 1000 idiots in this world.
First of all, it's not like I'm seriously considering it, I'm just checking out all the options and doing some research.
Also what do you have in mind? Is it easier to lenghten longer distances when you are already taller? How exactly does that work?
Quote from: betzbone1236 on August 01, 2023, 12:33:46 AMI just did 12.36cm on one go in femurs. Some of what you said is right. Comes down to some can handle 12 in one go and some can’t. It depends on many factors and the person
You are 161.3 cm and reached 12.36 cm on femurs? Just curious, were your femurs longer than average before you started lenghtening or did you have high flexibility that enabled you to reach such goal?
Quote from: Height Journey on July 31, 2023, 10:25:12 PMSo the controversy is about the recommended 8cm maximum safe limit for femurs, or if the real safe limit can go even higher. Let me chime in.
There is no empirical or research data that defines 8cm as the safe maximum limit for femurs. I'm guessing by conjecture that the 8cm femur safe limit came from orthopedic research that the best bone regenerate is less than 15% of the bone length. Between 15% to 20% and it gets a little more worse. Beyond 20% and it gets more worse, so it's recommended not to lengthen more than 20% of your bone length.
Before 2020, the overwhelming majority of cosmetic leg lengthening patients were short men under 5'7" or 170cm. Short men between 5'4" to 5'7" had femur lengths where 20% of it would be around 8cm. So when Nuvasive released the Precice 1 nail in 2012 and Precice 2 nail in 2014 (I think those are the years), they want to keep it safe for the overwhelming majority of their clients and limit it to 8cm.
Since 2020, we have certainly seen a greater number of taller CLL patients over 5'7". In that case, 20% femur length for the taller patients can be more like 9cm or even 10cm. And yes, the safe limit is different for each individual patient.
Even if you go with a femur lengthening device where you can lengthen 9cm or more, it's still an increasing risk if you go over your safe limit. It's not as simple as playing a game at a casino for higher stakes, which can either lead to bigger gains or bigger losses. With casino games, you just lose money and you can always gain money back (assuming you're not too deep in debt or an addict). But if you lose the game of overlengthening, you'll suffer a lifetime of permanent losses like:
Excessive muscle tightness
Arthritis
Nerve damage
Bone deformity (bent nails which leads to bent bones)
Messed up walking gait
Loss of athletic ability (like running or jumping)
Being a handicap
Lost time
How treatable those complications are, and what if they arise during the lenghtening process and you might need another surgery to fix it. Do you typically have to pay for that or is it included in the original price (I'm specifically asking about Betz/Becker or Giotikas, but I'll be satisfied with a general opinion)
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