Internal or External Methods

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on January 15, 2015, 11:29:50 PMIf infections are all you care about, go with internals.  As long as everything is sterile during the first operation there won't be a problem.

With externals there's always a risk of infection.  Although I was infection-free with my externals, even in filthy Guang Ji Hospital.  I credit that to never showering or cleaning the pinsites.  I just left them alone and they didn't get infected.

did that actually work. im curious. ive heard not cleaning the pinsites is the major cause of infections there. ur stating the exact opposite. I too agree with u but generally ppl always clean pinsites regularly. if thats true we need to re-evaluate wats better.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on January 15, 2015, 11:29:50 PMIf infections are all you care about, go with internals.  As long as everything is sterile during the first operation there won't be a problem.

With externals there's always a risk of infection.  Although I was infection-free with my externals, even in filthy Guang Ji Hospital.  I credit that to never showering or cleaning the pinsites.  I just left them alone and they didn't get infected.

did that actually work. im curious. ive heard not cleaning the pinsites is the major cause of infections there. ur stating the exact opposite. I too agree with u but generally ppl always clean pinsites regularly. if thats true we need to re-evaluate wats better.

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Internal, why would anyone even consider external in this day and age?! It is barbaric and well well outdated. And always femurs over tibias, it doesn't matter if tibias are shorter. Tibias should be a consideration only after femurs are lengthened.
If you'll consider overseas, my doctor offers internal for around $50k including a 3 month stay. I put just under 4 inches on my femurs back in 2004.

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Internal, why would anyone even consider external in this day and age?! It is barbaric and well well outdated. And always femurs over tibias, it doesn't matter if tibias are shorter. Tibias should be a consideration only after femurs are lengthened.
If you'll consider overseas, my doctor offers internal for around $50k including a 3 month stay. I put just under 4 inches on my femurs back in 2004.

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Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 24, 2018, 04:12:38 PMInternal, why would anyone even consider external in this day and age?! It is barbaric and well well outdated. And always femurs over tibias, it doesn't matter if tibias are shorter. Tibias should be a consideration only after femurs are lengthened.
If you'll consider overseas, my doctor offers internal for around $50k including a 3 month stay. I put just under 4 inches on my femurs back in 2004.

I disagree. I think both are equally barbaric as ur altering the body dimensions artificially. And evading pain in modern age isnt technically less barbaric. Pain is actually a helper, it's a natural builtin information system tht lets u know how much bonkerz ur going and exactly where on ur body. i think its a personal preference. there are pros and cons to both surgical procedures.

Regarding the tibia's vs femurs unfortunately I'l have to strongly disagree here. here is my post earlier on that.all my points are based on science. gudluck refuting that! :
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5229.msg94270#msg94270

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@ Sanity, you need you sanity checked. Good luck refuting that.

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Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 24, 2018, 05:27:51 PM@ Sanity, you need you sanity checked. Good luck refuting that.

u getting butthurt over the fact that u've alrdy done femurs wont change the facts/science. Still the important thing is u've got height which outweighs all the disadvantages any day.

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External tibias only with a hexapod is by far the safest way to do LL and the longterm outcomes are excellent if you stay up to 6.5cm.

Femurs internals only with a reliable magnetic and weight bearing nail is the second best. More risky as surgery than the first but after that it is very convenient and has no real disadvantages.

External femurs are insane even with lon.
Internals with crappy nails is a bad choice too.
Internal tibias with a good nail is an option. But not better than hexapod as it needs two invasive surgeries (to put it and remove it) although it is much more convenient during lengthening and rehabilitation.

So the best choices are external tibias with hexapod and internal femurs with stryde.
Anything else has major disadvantages compared to these.

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 24, 2018, 07:19:33 PMExternal tibias only with a hexapod is by far the safest way to do LL and the longterm outcomes are excellent if you stay up to 6.5cm.

Femurs internals only with a reliable magnetic and weight bearing nail is the second best. More risky as surgery than the first but after that it is very convenient and has no real disadvantages.

External femurs are insane even with lon.
Internals with crappy nails is a bad choice too.
Internal tibias with a good nail is an option. But not better than hexapod as it needs two invasive surgeries (to put it and remove it) although it is much more convenient during lengthening and rehabilitation.

So the best choices are external tibias with hexapod and internal femurs with stryde.
Anything else has major disadvantages compared to these.

agreed. although the standard ilazarov frame on tibias does practically the same thing as hexapod, only the manual manipulation is more difficult, more pins and pin-bending is a complication.

on terms of safety i would outweigh external tibia's, tsf or ilazarov over femurs due to lesser surgeries required and lesser risk of FES, not to mention more than double the rates of fractures post ext fix removal or post nail removal of femurs.

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To all those contemplating external, please have a look at this fella's x-ray. I really feel for him and hope he'll be ok, but he seems to me to be in agony.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5300.0

So fellow potential LL'ers, please be warned. This forum is full of people with hidden agendas, promotors of various shady doctors and methods. Just watch the trolls jump over me after this message!