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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#1
congratulations  doing this while having children you're responsible for is incredibly brave.

You quoted Dr. Paley saying that building muscle in the legs increases pain is nonsense. So, is it better to build muscle or just focus on stretching? Did you have a conversation about this?  so is the build muscle in legs is true thing for recovery and lengthening moment
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#2
Thanks!

I did not continue the topic after Dr.Paley said it was nonsense;  I was a bit intimidated :)

I haven't heard anyone say that strong legs are good, but I've read several people say to weaken your legs, and Moshe said lean legs are good.  Most agree that pre-surgery stretching is beneficial.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#3
Age: mid-40s male
Date of surgery: June 16, 2026
Surgery location:  Paley Institute in Florida
Surgery goal:  PMAX Femurs 8cm
Current morning height:  5'6" to 5'7"
Current morning weight:  139 lb.

Hi everyone, I'm scheduled for femur surgery in June.  I thought I'd share my planning progress to keep focused and hear suggestions.

The biggest hurdle will be finding a way to take care of my kids while I'm not there for 8 weeks.  (The plan is for my family to be in Florida for the first month.)  It'll be hard for my wife to do everything for them once they go back home.  I'm spending more time on preparations for that than stretching or other conditioning.

Nevertheless, for stretching/conditioning Moshe Roth says "long lean" leg muscles is what you want, so do a lot of biking and running prior to surgery.

Interestingly, I asked Dr.Paley and Dr.Robbins this question during the initial interview.  If big leg muscles can cause more pain.  Dr.Paley said that was rubbish.

My wife has booked flights and researched the hotels.  The plan is to live in an AirBnb which has accommodations conducive to my kids for the first month.  Afterwards I'll move to the Homewood Suites to be able to socialize with other patients.

I am taking a leave from work, using PTO and FMLA.  My boss said to make sure my co-workers can cover my duties while I'm away.

I'm hoping to return to work immediately after returning from Florida.  My job is half at the computer and half walking around interfacing with equipment, so I think it would be too much to crutch all the time, and would need a wheelchair handy.

I'm also attempting to bulk up the upper body.  I'll check my current levels later today.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#4
Therefore, we agree that building muscle in the leg area is not a factor that complicates the surgery.  :)

It might even be beneficial to develop a "muscle memory," (I don't know how to translate this into English) When you intensely work a muscle in a certain area, the cells in that area regain muscle mass faster than before, even if that muscle is lost.  at least to recover faster after surgery.

 so when the job is finished you'll be about 5'10" tall, which is very good.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#5
Yeah, I've heard bodybuilders say that before, that muscles remember how big they were and "snap back" more quickly to their original size.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#6
moron good job derailing the thread with your nonsensical inquiries

muh leg muscles, why are you asking OP about leg muscles when he is 140 pounds soaking wet on a 5'6 frame? What would he know about "building leg muscles"?


unless you are pinning supraphysiological levels of testosterone right in the upper outer quadrants of your a$$ none of you have to worry about muh leg muscles which is why paley dismissed the whole notion of muh leg muscles because he is a sensible and experienced man who knows that none of the manlets that visit him will have jay cutler level quads



OP did paley say you are definitely getting the pmax for your surgery? its still not out yet officially


You, along with the user with the nickname "kja" , are the one who's turned most of the recent forum topics into back-and-forth arguments, and you're accusing me of derailing the conversation? You've already had your surgery Why do you actively enter the forum and try to "attack" people?  , what are you doing here anymore?

A person who has had surgery and gotten rid of their height obsession, if they are still on the forum, their aim is to try to help those who are still suffering from this condition, to share their knowledge with them. You're a really empty person, my friend. I can predict the answer you'll give to your next post, and I'm writing this now: I won't respond to what you wrote. If I did. That's when I would have diverted the conversation ı would be derailing the conversation. 

Furthermore, you don't even have a clue what we're talking about; we don't have a problem with whether or not the leg muscle surgery will be disrupted. I asked about the potential benefits of the lengthening procedure and its aftermath.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#7
keep me out of your contact with this fascist - please speak for yourself 🤦‍♂️🥵✌

you should know the non-issue with 'leg muscles' before the surgery etc 🤦‍♂️
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#8
Measurements today, for progress tracking:

I can do one pull up, and 100 lbs. for reps on bench and 65? lbs. seated row for reps (it's hard to tell because there are two machines and the weight numbers feel different, but on the easy machine I can do 78 lbs. for reps)

My thighs are 6.5" across at widest point.

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Am getting PMAX, it says "Bilateral femoral lengthening with PRECICE-MAX lengthener" on the invoice.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#9
keep me out of your contact with this fascist - please speak for yourself 🤦‍♂️🥵✌

you should know the non-issue with 'leg muscles' before the surgery etc 🤦‍♂️

I'm speaking for myself, of course; I gave an example from himself to show that what he said was inconsistent. You're not bothered by having so much dialogue with  "fascist,"

 but you don't want your name mentioned here? I just checked to make sure I translated it wrong, but the question isn't whether 'leg muscles' are a problem, but whether they are beneficial. What's wrong, my friend? Did I ask the question incorrectly?  You're officially judge me for asking about something I don't know the answer to. The translation there was something like "Is stretching more important than building muscle?" I didn't mean to write it that way, but it came out like that because I didn't check the translation. However, then I asked what I really wanted to ask in the part starting with "so is the build". Anyway, this isn't a topic to be extended, I'll keep it short here.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#10
I humbly request to all whom it is relevant to, please let's be nice if possible?

shortbutnosmall, thank you for your questions, I enjoy all the discussion as it's helpful to generating a better outcome for myself and others I think.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#11
I'm speaking for myself, of course; I gave an example from himself to show that what he said was inconsistent. You're not bothered by having so much dialogue with  "fascist,"

 but you don't want your name mentioned here? I just checked to make sure I translated it wrong, but the question isn't whether 'leg muscles' are a problem, but whether they are beneficial. What's wrong, my friend? Did I ask the question incorrectly?  You're officially judge me for asking about something I don't know the answer to. The translation there was something like "Is stretching more important than building muscle?" I didn't mean to write it that way, but it came out like that because I didn't check the translation. However, then I asked what I really wanted to ask in the part starting with "so is the build". Anyway, this isn't a topic to be extended, I'll keep it short here.

you'll keep it short? - bloody hell, I was clean-shaven when I started reading your gobbledy-gook 🙏

just keep your references to yourself and whoever you contact 🤷‍♂️

keep things simple - follow the doctors advice - do you physio - and you'll be fine 👍

as stated -
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#12
I'm speaking for myself, of course; I gave an example from himself to show that what he said was inconsistent. You're not bothered by having so much dialogue with  "fascist,"

 but you don't want your name mentioned here? I just checked to make sure I translated it wrong, but the question isn't whether 'leg muscles' are a problem, but whether they are beneficial. What's wrong, my friend? Did I ask the question incorrectly?  You're officially judge me for asking about something I don't know the answer to. The translation there was something like "Is stretching more important than building muscle?" I didn't mean to write it that way, but it came out like that because I didn't check the translation. However, then I asked what I really wanted to ask in the part starting with "so is the build". Anyway, this isn't a topic to be extended, I'll keep it short here.

as stated - (cont'd) the only reason i had 'contact' with this racist, bald, tattooed fascist - was to shut him up - took a while - but done now 🥊✌🤣

this site should be LL only 👍
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#13
congratulations  doing this while having children you're responsible for is incredibly brave.

You quoted Dr. Paley saying that building muscle in the legs increases pain is nonsense. So, is it better to build muscle or just focus on stretching? Did you have a conversation about this?  so is the build muscle in legs is true thing for recovery and lengthening moment

Is Pmax only on femur or is it also on tibia?
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#14
Here are a couple pieces from the guide:

If you want the full guide I think they will be happy to send it if you fill out that web form on the Paley Institute website.  Ask them for the PMAX Stature Lengthening Guide.  It has a full breakdown of costs and answers a lot of questions.

"How long do we need to use
assistive devices with the 
PMAX Nail?
For the P2.2 - Most patients use crutches or a walker for
two to five months after surgery (for 8cm femurs and 5cm
tibias.). A wheelchair is needed for long distance transport.
We teach patients how to do partial weight bearing in our
physical therapy department.
For the PMAX – Patients are encouraged to use crutches or
at least one crutch or a cane to offload the bodyweight on
the lengthening limbs for as long as needed. The surgeon
and physical therapist will inform you what is appropriate
for your status."

"How much weight bearing is
allowed during lengthening?
During distraction the bone ends are held separated by the
implantable rod. This rod is secured to the bone by screws at
either end. The diameter of the rod ranges from 8.5-10.7
12.5mms. The screws have a diameter ranging from 4-5mms.
With enough repeated loading the screws of any implant will
bend or break. No implant of any make or design is immune
to this. The heavier the patient the greater this risk. This is true of
any implantable lengthening nail no matter what the material it is
made of and no matter what you are told by the manufacturer
or the surgeon.
We permit full WB when we see complete bridging of the
bone on the x-ray. At that point the bone is taking the load
and protecting the rod. During the lengthening we allow WB
using crutches or a walker and unweighting the legs using the
arms. The amount of WB allowed depends on several factors:
the weight of the patient, the diameter of the rod and the bone
being lengthened. For the largest diameter Precice2, 12.5mms,
we allow up to 75 lbs (34 kgs) on each leg. This means that
when a patient is standing on two legs with two crutches on the
ground they can take up to 150lbs or (68 kgs). However, when
walking and transferring load from one leg to the other a patient
MUST USE TWO CRUTCHES on the ground and unweight
themselves to the 75lbs (34kgs) weight with each step. Patients
must NEVER walk with one crutch during the distraction phase
no matter how much they weigh. During the consolidation phase
the same rules apply until the surgeon increases the WB quota.
To know how much WB is being done a patient can stand on a
bathroom scale till it reaches the desired e.g. 75lbs number. For
the smaller diameter rods 10.7mms and 8.5mms no more than
50lbs  (23kgs) is allowed per leg.
For a patient lengthening with the PMAX, they may walk with
walker or crutches initially until they are able to assist themselves
properly with one crutch or a cane during the distraction phase to
help offset their full body weight on their limbs. This helps to protect
the rod from bending or breakage."
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#15
PMAX can be used in tibia, but weight limits apply (from the Paley Institute stature lengthening guide):

https://postimg.cc/HVQDj3n1
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#16
PMAX can be used in tibia, but weight limits apply (from the Paley Institute stature lengthening guide):

https://postimg.cc/HVQDj3n1
Do you happen to have any additional informational material about PMAX that you could share with us?
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#17
Oh wow I hope they get it in turkey within 6 months of so. Been waiting so long.
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#18
Why should one do P Max if you stay crippled after 5 months post lengthening phase as It was with precise? Shouldn t It be full weight bearing? As I understand it can bear only 68 kg
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#19
Why should one do P Max if you stay crippled after 5 months post lengthening phase as It was with precise? Shouldn t It be full weight bearing? As I understand it can bear only 68 kg
The guide says the recovery from PMax "is so much better" than P2.2, but doesn't really expand on that.  Maybe it's just less fatiguing getting around.

"What method do we use for
stature lengthening?
(see figures 1, 2, & 3 on previous page)
We currently offer both the PRECICE 2.2 (P2.2) and PRECICE
MAX (PMAX) for stature lengthening. However, the recovery
with PMAX is so much better. The P2.2 and PMAX are both
made of titanium, however the P2.2 is more flexible and not
as strong as the PMAX.
The P2.2 requires weight bearing restrictions, and therefore
a walker or crutches for a prolonged period of time, while
the PMAX does not require weight bearing restrictions or
crutches and rather minimal assistance such as a cane making
the process much easier on lengthening patients."
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Posted on Jun 18, 2026, 8:28 pm
#20
Hello,
Has Paley informed you about any delay re the PMAX? I talked with a few doctors - Assayag, HSS, and Dr. D who all said that the PMAX is going to be delayed, but I was curious what Paley is saying? I'd love to book him but dont want to pay the fees and then be delayed again and again.
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