What if height isn't the end all, be all of attractiveness?

Like all of you guys, I'm not happy with my height and want to lengthen to improve my chances in love and the business world. But just today I was thinking about all the other things men can be insecure about. Their weight, receding hairlines, their hook noses, weak chins, etc. Men with those problems dwell on them them and even join forums and consider surgeries to fix them, just like us. They're convinced that if I can just fix that one flaw, I'll be set for life.

Thinking about that, I started wondering if height is really just a small part of the whole package that makes us attractive to women or be taken seriously. A lot of women who say they want tall men might just want to be saying that instead of a rich man to seem a little less shallow. As long as you're at least a centimeter taller than your GF/wife, you can still feel like the bigger one and keep a traditional gender role.

At the same time, height does feel like an important thing, like it maybe really is the end all-be all of self improvement. Being taller commands respect and the halo effect makes people assume you are also strong and smart. Of course tall men have it the best, but average men (where most of us hope to be after LL) are spared from so much of the flak short men get. If I were to put benefits from height on a scale, I would say short men get 0, average men get 4, and tall ones get 5 or 6, does that sound realistic?

It's not the end all be all of attractivness. It works a little something like this:

-The vast majority of women are much more attracted to men that are noticebly taller than them.

-Some women have a height fetisch and like much taller men.

-A small minorit of women don't care either way.

-A vast majority of women are moderately more attractived to tall men i.e not just taller than they are but objectively tall.

As for respect in private and professional life it should work kind of like this:

-If you are taller than most other men you will be more noticeable -this is usually for the better as it provides oppertunity in all things.

-The taller you are the more intimidating you are.

-When you are tall you will be more respected.

-Much like attractive people a tall height will make people more prone to like you subconciously.

-It is a characteristic that encourages leadership

Being tall can be pretty rough. For every attractive woman that is into you there are at least 5 that look like this.

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head, Uppland. Every inch I lengthen opens more doors. I'm just curious, whats your starting height and lengthening goals?

When I hear Apo's story and how much the 20cm or whatever changed his life, I wonder if proportions are so important..I'd never do that much because I'm too cautious, but outside of the LL community, it seems people care a lot about height, but barely at all about whether it comes from legs or torsos.. of course they notice extreme proportions, but it doesn't seem like long legs on men actually are a turn off to women per se.

We live in a reality based world. Not the world we want to believe is real.

Ask a woman what the most attractive quality in a man is? They will all say 'confidence'. What gives a man the most confidence? His fundamental size. His strength. His masculinity. His ability to 'measure up' against other men and in the world in which he lives in.

 We all know first hand even if we try to be confident, we invariably get slapped down. I have spent my life trying to be an Alpha Male and it was like rowing upstream with a small paddle. People wont take you seriously. They fundamentally  dont think you deserve to be the Alpha Male.

What do men find the most attractive in women? Their confidence. What makes a woman confident? Her femininity. When I was in college , I accidently went into a feminist class . You can always tell the feminist class. All the ugly, fat , lesbian or hurt women with an axe to grind. Never any babes . Why? Babes have no problem with femininity . So I popped in and asked 'Hi ladies, do you know where room 8A is'?

The screeching cascade of foaming at the mouth I received for calling them something as misogynist as 'ladies' rained upon me and I beat a hasty retreat.
I have always wondered if I was 6ft 2 and on the football team would I have received such a childish reaction or would they have been forced to be nice to me because of my looks. No doubt the latter.

We men put up will all kinds of crap from sexy women but will blow off ugly woman without a care in the world about their feelings or their point of view.

Admit it. We do. So it stands to reason we get the same treatment. Short men are unattractive to woman and so they have no reason to be nice to us if they don't feel like it.

In the end? All I ever ended up doing was 'accepting' second rate women and a second rate social standing because I was.........well, second rate. Obviously that bothers us , as we are here on this site prepared to break our damn legs over it.

You make a lot of good points.

I have also spent much of my life trying to be alpha.  It is like rowing upstream when you are less than about 5'9" in the U. S.

When do you plan on doing LL TomD?

Does everybody need to be alpha though? Surely people can be happy without being the prime focus of attention in a group.

Quote from: KiloKAHN on December 18, 2014, 03:35:01 AMBeing tall can be pretty rough. For every attractive woman that is into you there are at least 5 that look like this.

Kill with fire

Quote from: KiloKAHN on December 18, 2014, 05:54:04 AMDoes everybody need to be alpha though? Surely people can be happy without being the prime focus of attention in a group.

u're more Alpha t'han these bunch of pussies

Quote from: KiloKAHN on December 18, 2014, 05:54:04 AMDoes everybody need to be alpha though? Surely people can be happy without being the prime focus of attention in a group.

There is no extreme like that. It doesnt work that way.

There isnt  ONE Alpha male out of a whole group. There is a tier of them. A whole social class.

As for being happy, you dont need to do LL surgery to be happy either, if you are willing to accept certain realities.

If we are here ready to break our legs over it, apparently we are not very happy about it.