Quote from: asfastaslight on March 19, 2016, 07:16:25 PMGiven the obesity rate in the united states and the amount of men willing to shoot up steroids to look better, or even self injecting melataonon to get a better tan. Or how people really are fake in general let's face it going to the club no one cares about anything woman want a tall guy. They don't care how he looks as long as you hide the LL your gonna do better. If that is what people want to get better at those sort of situations as they don't want to get married or have kids let them.
Many American also cannot do those things, and actually most people can't do a single pull up or chin up correctly.
Women in clubs only want a tall guy while completely disregarding facial aesthetics? That is the most absurd thing I have ever read or heard in my life. Just like we wanna bang a hot chick in a club without investigating her personality, the girls in the clubs only wanna bang a hot guy. And a hot guy is not only a guy who is tall....
The biggest problem in clubs is that soo many hot girls wear high heels that make them 1,80+. Being taller simply offers you more possibilities, and it also increases your overall attractiveness. Facial aestethics are more important than height but I doubt that an attractive 170 guy has good chances of getting a lot of hot girls in clubs were most of them are 175+ in their heels.
Quote from: YellowSpike on February 19, 2016, 07:53:08 PM
Wow thatdude. Good work you've done here lol.
I actually AM happy with my result. I made it to my initial realistic goal of 5'8". And, aside from the my left screw issue (hope to get it fixed soon), my recovery is very good (though not perfect). Soft tissue recovery takes a while, but stretching has been helping me so much. I'm just happy I was complication-free (unless you count the left screw issue). I'm just not satisfied. But I guess we're saying the same thing.
Also, even though I use a machine (makes it easier/safer, since squatting is harder with long femurs) and not a free barbell, I can squat 285 lbs right now 
I would more say my outcome was good physically (would have been closer to ShyShy if not for the left screw and the fact that I had to sit/work a lot during clicking), but didn't solve the height neuroris.
Cool - good that you're recovering fairly well. When I put you in the poor category my thinking was, if a reasonable person was told before doing LL that the result would do nothing for their height neurosis and they would still feel short - would they consider that a good outcome? Would they still do the surgery? Probably not. I'd edit you into the neutral category (or even positive of your height neurosis does end up resolving itself without further surgery and you're happy with your athletic abilities) but I can't seem to edit the post.
You use the smith machine? And do you think the reason is long femurs, or poor ankle flexibility that's stopping you squatting? I'd guess the latter. Video?
how much did BD gain, Kilo?
Quote from: crimsontide on March 12, 2016, 11:37:24 PMLet's see some actual evidence that even 10% of LL patients have a successful outcome
Actual video evidence
I've seen 2 users post multiple videos
1- sweden
2- rgkey
neither of them has what what I'd consider a positive outcome
Where's the evidence?
Any video purporting to show a positive outcome needs to show at the minimum
1- walking up and downstairs fairly normally
2- leg exercises, such as squatting to parallel
3- normal jogging or running
that's the minimum. No video can show more than a few minutes, so we really can't know how well someone is doing throughout a full day, but if they can't perform the 3 activities listed above, we can safely conclude that the outcome is not positive
Any video should also show evidence of the surgery... being in an external fixator is an obvious method of verification... A little less obvious would be scars consistent with one having had the surgery
I already know we won't have these videos, and that's the point
There's very little evidence of patients having great outcomes
Anyone that disagrees... Fine, prove me wrong
I agree. Until there's better evidence of recoveries (rather than just 1, questionable example [ShyShy] from 100's of diaries) you guys are having your desperation exploited. You're getting butchered by doctors and making them rich - and often yourself poor - in the process.
Quote from: Thatdude950 on March 20, 2016, 06:03:10 AMI agree. Until there's better evidence of recoveries (rather than just 1, questionable example [ShyShy] from 100's of diaries) you guys are having your desperation exploited. You're getting butchered by doctors and making them rich - and often yourself poor - in the process.
The Catagni patients I have spoken to are all happy. And Lumier is a real person
That doesn't really say that much though does it? Feelings count for something, but of course they'll try to be happy. What counts most are empirically verifiable results ... actual proof of recovery and ability rather than just words.
Quote from: Thatdude950 on March 20, 2016, 07:45:30 AMThat doesn't really say that much though does it? Feelings count for something, but of course they'll try to be happy. What counts most are empirically verifiable results ... actual proof of recovery and ability rather than just words.
They dont report any problems with walking.
"Continued height neurosis" isn't a negative outcome of the surgery. YellowSpike's considering another LL because his first one went well, why isn't that in positive outcomes?
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 08:05:49 AMThey dont report any problems with walking.
Most don't, it's the next level and beyond that we're not seeing much of.
Penguin - I can't edit, but I don't think it was unfair. Maybe neutral would have been better ... but if the surgery doesn't cure height neurosis then what was the point?
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