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Posted on Feb 26, 2014, 5:15 pm
#101

Quote from: BilateralDamage on February 26, 2014, 05:07:52 PMChill with the language.  We can have respectful debates here without cursing community members out...


sorry I had a bad day at the office.

But this guy needs to be stopped. Just look through his posting history. 90% of the posts contains defamotory information about Dr. Betz. None of it is backed by any evidence.
There is even a patient on the previous page who claims he had a second thought after reading all the negative things written only to find out its all false.

How is this any good? we are now trying to scare away future LLers from certain doctors? whats the logic in this? why is this allowed?
why is it only when someone points out his hateful misinformation that you reply? doesnt his misinformation deserve a critical view?

f**k me ... jeez

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Posted on Feb 26, 2014, 5:23 pm
#102

I agree with you kusop.  Mime, I'd really like to see the proof you have for your claims.  Yes, we're well aware of the obscene prices Betz charges for nail replacements, but this doesn't automatically make him a horrible doctor with 30% nail failure rates.

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Posted on Feb 26, 2014, 5:43 pm
#103

Quote from: BilateralDamage on February 26, 2014, 05:23:41 PMI agree with you kusop.  Mime, I'd really like to see the proof you have for your claims.  Yes, we're well aware of the obscene prices Betz charges for nail replacements, but this doesn't automatically make him a horrible doctor with 30% nail failure rates.


Don't feed the troll. What kind of proof do you have in mind? I am certainly not revealing my identity here just because of some troll. If you don't believe me that's fine with me.
Read my posts carefully and then decide whether it is all made up or not. And as a contrast read the dribble of this insolent troll who cannot control his rage.

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Posted on Feb 26, 2014, 5:56 pm
#104

Quote from: Mime on February 26, 2014, 05:43:18 PMDon't feed the troll. What kind of proof do you have in mind? I am certainly not revealing my identity here just because of some troll. If you don't believe me that's fine with me.
Read my posts carefully and then decide whether it is all made up or not. And as a contrast read the dribble of this insolent troll who cannot control his rage.


Anything that proves where you received the info and the validity of this source.  Posting baseless claims are as bad as users promoting the services of a doctor when it seems like they've cut a deal.  It seems the opposite in your case, like you've cut a deal with his competition and want to deride Betz' services.

If you want more credibility to your claims, I suggest you post evidence or prove it to Dameon.  Not saying you have to, but your posts would contain a lot more insight that way.

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Posted on Feb 26, 2014, 11:34 pm
#105

Quote from: kusop on February 26, 2014, 05:15:31 PMsorry I had a bad day at the office.

But this guy needs to be stopped. Just look through his posting history. 90% of the posts contains defamotory information about Dr. Betz. None of it is backed by any evidence.
There is even a patient on the previous page who claims he had a second thought after reading all the negative things written only to find out its all false.

How is this any good? we are now trying to scare away future LLers from certain doctors? whats the logic in this? why is this allowed?
why is it only when someone points out his hateful misinformation that you reply? doesnt his misinformation deserve a critical view?

f**k me ... jeez


You are absolutely right. Its obvious that Mime seems to hate Dr. Betz for whatever reason. But what this guy is doing here is ridiculous. He just try to post negative information about Dr. Betz and he doesnt care if its true or not. 30% of his patients have complications? Sorry Mime but no one can take you serious anymore. This is just pure nonsense.
Like I already said I did a lot of research about the complications before I spent all my money for Dr. Betz. I cant tell you a number but I know it is really rare with the new Betzbone nails.
Mime said you have to ask people who are not in interest of Betz business. What a genius. Of course I did that. I had plenty of time during my stay at the hospital to talk to physio therapists, nurses or other doctors. They only confirmed that it is very rare to have a complication. Betz is highly regarded at the hospital. Apparently the new Betzbone is a big step forward.

Anyway the admin of this forum should stop these guys/posts. Otherwise this forum is going to be so useless again. Every post has to be backed up. And people who just try to scare or discourage other ones should be warned and otherwise banned.
This forum should help future patients making a decision to go with which doctor. It shouldnt confuse or scare them just because of a few people who try to post negative stuff about certain doctors.

To all future patients who are in the same situation I was a few months ago: like I already said, dont just trust some letters people post here. Save up, go for a consultation with Prof. Betz, meet his patients and then go for your dream. Dont let other people stop you from achieving your goals.



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Posted on Feb 27, 2014, 8:23 am
#106

Mime has been very helpful to me in replies to private questions about LL.    I don't agree Mime is here just to hate Dr Betz, more to warn people about a negative experience.  LL180, is he a real patient?  He should provide proof also.   Working 3 days after surgery sounds impossible. 

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Posted on Feb 27, 2014, 2:05 pm
#107

I am not sure who to believe, this is a lot of money your supposedly spending on one of the best surgeons, but hearing about broken screws and bend nails after you spend years of your life saving for supposedly one of the best surgeons is disheartening.

My choices would be

1. Guichet

2. Rozburch (not sure he will accept me in am 5'7")

3. Paley ( both dr rozbruch and paley uses precice 2 which to me is still in limbo and might need a recall, I just pray it's a bad batch dr lee received.)

4. Dr lee

Honestly if your spending that kind of money you don't want a nail that doesn't extend or is so weak that it will break.

Anyone hear about still young? Last time I heard his nail bent and we didn't hear from him again.

Lastly Apo/sysop and tall you cannot trust them bc these asswipes promote these dr and  receive some benefit out of it...

So I think the gnail is the best bet until they can figure out what is wrong with the precice 2 batches by dr lee...

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Posted on Feb 27, 2014, 2:06 pm
#108

Quote from: LLto180 on February 25, 2014, 11:23:17 PMI am doing LL with Dr. Betz right now. As a patient of him I can just say its ridiculous what people post here. I am fed up with those people. They gave me such a hard time before surgery and I even believed all this not backed up nonsense. After the consultation I knew I want to go with Betz. But then again I had too much time to read on the forum and got concerned again because of all this nonsense people post here. So I decided to go Germany again and visit some more patients. All in all I met a lot of Betz patients and they were all doing fine. So I knew I will stop reading on the forum. Thats what the other patients recommended to me and it just makes sense. People come here and post whatever they want, give no back up and everyone believes it.


Quote from: LLto180 on February 26, 2014, 11:34:32 PMI had plenty of time during my stay at the hospital to talk to physio therapists, nurses or other doctors. They only confirmed that it is very rare to have a complication.  Anyway the admin of this forum should stop these guys/posts. Otherwise this forum is going to be so useless again. Every post has to be backed up. And people who just try to scare or discourage other ones should be warned and otherwise banned.
This forum should help future patients making a decision to go with which doctor. It shouldnt confuse or scare them just because of a few people who try to post negative stuff about certain doctors.

To all future patients who are in the same situation I was a few months ago: like I already said, dont just trust some letters people post here. Save up, go for a consultation with Prof. Betz, meet his patients and then go for your dream. Dont let other people stop you from achieving your goals.


This is my updated reply.

LLto180 seem to be emphasizing that people are posting nonsense here while putting down this forum.   I have to point out some facts about what is being discussed in this thread. 

1)  The topic reads:  Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery

Started: September 26, 2013  here

So this was the first place that had an open discussion about this issue.  Does Dr Augustin Betz internal nail/screws break and led to more money spent and surgeries? 

2)  If you search Complications with Dr. Betz in Google, you find that somebody read this topic and created another topic at the old forum.   That thread is dated October 31, 2013 and it is mentioned that

" I became very concerned when I noticed all of the following complications from his patients and how much money I would have to spend."

Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement.

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement.

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz. Thankfully still posting and open about his feelings and complications. "


3)   Mime has sent me Xrays, pictures of being in the hospital bed with bandages & wounds on the legs along with invoice document from Dr Betz.   Base on these reasonable evidence,  I'm inclined to believe that Mime is an actual patient of Dr Betz who went for LL surgery in Germany. 
 
End of the day, this is an open forum where anyone can say anything, just like in the real world.    I will leave people to draw their own conclusions after reading everything and not forgetting the suggestions listed here.   

Reference: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0

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Posted on Feb 27, 2014, 2:08 pm
#109

I agree with you Rickybobby. I've yet to see a single negative result from Dr. Guichet. He seems like a genuinely nice and caring guy too from Leechlet's videos. If I could afford him, he'd definitely be my top choice.

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Posted on Feb 27, 2014, 3:45 pm
#110

Quote from: Tall on February 27, 2014, 02:08:54 PMI agree with you Rickybobby. I've yet to see a single negative result from Dr. Guichet. He seems like a genuinely nice and caring guy too from Leechlet's videos. If I could afford him, he'd definitely be my top choice.


How much does he cost? For femur lengthening and then subsequent tibiae lengthening?

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