Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery

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Quote from: handy on September 27, 2013, 05:57:48 AMBuilding a guesthouse out of the goodness of his own heart is complete crap! He's such a fraud and liar! 

I disagree about Apotheosis doing business with Donghoon . The reason why is Donghoon already does surgery with the PRECICE and he is developing that new nail X-Tend so he has no need for Apotheosis and the Betzbone. Plus Korea is a rich country obsessed with technology where people can afford the high price-high tech PRECICE instead of the old tech-lower price leg ratcheting of the Betzbone.

On the other hand you have doctors in India like Sringari who need the Betzbone to attract patients who want that low price internal nail option. I'm sure there's other doctors in India that Apotheosis is trying to make money from by geting them the Betzbone so they can offer internal lengthening for cheap.

Maybe he'll even through in building a guest house to seal the deal 

check out out this:
- Sarin builds or moves patients to a new guest house
- Sarin and Apotheosis/Syop have a fall out
- Dr Sarin is removed from old forum  in all kinds of form
- there is a new diary from a new LL Dr in India
- This new Dr sends his LL patients to a guest house
- staff at Dr Siringaris guest house have some connection with Dr Sarin
- these ex-staff of Dr Sarin start trash talking Dr Sarin
- Dr Siringari's guest house has the same equipment (gym), wall pantings, colours, etc AS DR SARINS OLD GUEST HOUSE!

a haaha ha a this so interesting.....WE  r being fooled....this guys is a classic...He is a business  and if u think his advice is honest then u have a lot of growing up to do.

This guy invests in LL Dr purely for his gain. I like that he is tryng to bring internal nails to india. I am also OK with him making money in the process. Lets face it there is no such thing as a free lunch.

What i hate about his processes is that he discredtis other LL Drs to promote the ones that he is in business with. The Dr Sarin, Dr Siringari, Phantom's Fake diary show his true colours.....

He is doing everything he can to ensure the HLN does not succeed. (at 35K and not making any cut from the profit his LL business will be over and he would have to go back to his old desk job he ehe h ehe eheeh )

I mentioned a day ago that he is limiting other internal LLpatients diaries with other doctors to a mimum level. the next day i saw that he had openned a new diary for a Jamal patient haaah a ha aha aha aha......

By the way, OldButGoldie, only kengthenned 5 cm and his equioment gave in!!! all the while ppl r being told they can do 10cm with betz and that the mechanism will still be wait bearing....a load of crap.

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Syop/Apotheosis gave the his guest house (Dr Sarins old guest house) to Dr Siringari.

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Quote from: Adriano on September 29, 2013, 04:25:42 AM
He is doing everything he can to ensure the HLN does not succeed. (at 35K and not making any cut from the profit his LL business will be over and he would have to go back to his old desk job he ehe h ehe eheeh )

By the way, OldButGoldie, only kengthenned 5 cm and his equioment gave in!!! all the while ppl r being told they can do 10cm with betz and that the mechanism will still be wait bearing....a load of crap.

Ah see, now I have realized that the Betz nail is actually not as good as they claimed.  And we really can start building a database of RELIABLE and HONEST doctors here who are NOT using the Betz nail.     Everyone should have a safe limb lengthening surgery as top priority, if they can do that without the Betz nail, even better.   

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Hey .

This is why I was so mad to the point of foaming at the mouth. I have since decided to simply find out his name and make sure the clients who go to old forum  are aware he is a salseman, not some objective facilitator of a website. They need to know if they go through the 'approved doctor list' , Sysop may get a commission and that needs to be disclosed right up front.

I am no socialist. I believe in the free market. What made me so mad was he was pretending to be a non profit non biased guru here to help . We arent talking about buying a used car here. We are talking about busting our legs for christs sakes. If he steers us to a quack, we may never walk again.

And that to me, makes what he is doing very serious.

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I have contact with one of Dr Betz patient,  here's the feedback on the Betz nails.

" The 13mm nail is much more safe.  I agree the 11mm nails frequently break and bend and there should be a better 11mm nail available. There is certainly no issue with the 13mm nail from what I have seen. "
 

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Quote from: Dameon on September 30, 2013, 11:29:55 AMI have contact with one of Dr Betz patient,  here's the feedback on the Betz nails.

" The 13mm nail is much more safe.  I agree the 11mm nails frequently break and bend and there should be a better 11mm nail available. There is certainly no issue with the 13mm nail from what I have seen. "
 

This quote is very misleading! Very few people have the bone canal to naturally support the full 13mm nail. The only way Dr. Betz can make enough room for the 13mm nail is to ream the inside of your bone far more than is recommended for someone whose bone canal should have the 11mm nail.

There are plenty of patients who have had the 13mm and still bent or broke the nails and screws. Dr. Betz simply has his patients weight bear too early and often regardless of the diameter of the nail that is used for lengthening. There are so many examples within the Dr. Betz diaries (both hidden and out in the open) and countless more when you visit Dr. Betz in Germany and talk with his patients.

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I should mention this extra reaming of the bone by Dr. Betz to implant the 13mm for patients who request/beg for the larger diameter nail when they should have the 11mm nail is very dangerous. This is why the PRECICE 2 is producing a 8.5mm nail to support people whose bone canal is too small for even the 10.5mm nail they currently offer. It's not as simple as just reaming more bone canal to make room for the larger diameter nail. Reaming the bone canal more than it should drastically increases the risk to the patient during surgery, during lengthening and during recovery.

This is why people should consult with a number of doctors before proceeding with surgery with Dr. Betz. It is well known among other LL surgeons that Dr. Betz cuts corners and puts patients at risk far more than is reported on any lengthening forum.

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Quote from: handy on September 30, 2013, 09:37:18 PMThis quote is very misleading! Very few people have the bone canal to naturally support the full 13mm nail. The only way Dr. Betz can make enough room for the 13mm nail is to ream the inside of your bone far more than is recommended for someone whose bone canal should have the 11mm nail.

There are plenty of patients who have had the 13mm and still bent or broke the nails and screws. Dr. Betz simply has his patients weight bear too early and often regardless of the diameter of the nail that is used for lengthening. There are so many examples within the Dr. Betz diaries (both hidden and out in the open) and countless more when you visit Dr. Betz in Germany and talk with his patients.

Interesting, if you combine that with the information in "Creepy: old forum  stillyoung's disappearance" thread, it starts to paint a clearer picture about the Betz nail.   

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Hello everybody. I'm new to this forum and quite happy there is no censorship like on old forum . By the way, if anybody still doesn't know: Apotheosis and Sysop are the same person. His name is Anderson and he is currently trying to lengthen his arms with Dr. Betz and having a lot of complications. Rumors are that Betz does the armlengthening for free to him, due to their business relationship.
As for the Betzbone nail, there exist several versions but none is as good as the Albizzia used to be. Since around 2011 Betz has no longer access to the Albizzia and is therefore using his patients as guinea pigs for his own developed nails.
The % of complications with Betz for Femur patients is currently around 30%. For Tibia it is even much worse. Dr. Betz is constantly lying to hs patients and actually gets very unfriendly if you ask too many questions. He is well protected by the rotten German law system, which is massively in favor of doctors.

Stay away from Dr.Betz, no matter which nail he uses.

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Quote from: Mime on October 19, 2013, 05:57:00 PMHello everybody. I'm new to this forum and quite happy there is no censorship like on old forum . By the way, if anybody still doesn't know: Apotheosis and Sysop are the same person. His name is Anderson and he is currently trying to lengthen his arms with Dr. Betz and having a lot of complications. Rumors are that Betz does the armlengthening for free to him, due to their business relationship.
As for the Betzbone nail, there exist several versions but none is as good as the Albizzia used to be. Since around 2011 Betz has no longer access to the Albizzia and is therefore using his patients as guinea pigs for his own developed nails.
The % of complications with Betz for Femur patients is currently around 30%. For Tibia it is even much worse. Dr. Betz is constantly lying to hs patients and actually gets very unfriendly if you ask too many questions. He is well protected by the rotten German law system, which is massively in favor of doctors.

Stay away from Dr.Betz, no matter which nail he uses.

This is madness three separate surgeries?  That's madness in anybody's book.

He always seems to discourage AL too when people suggest it.

Man alive the guy has spent a lot on getting bigger!