Quote from: TheDream on January 02, 2024, 11:30:55 PMI wonder if they do 10 - 12 cm tibias too
They practically do not from what I heard. I met two patients undergoing tibia lengthening, and the max length Dr Becker encourages is 5cm. You will also click only 8-10 times per day (as opposed to 15-20 times under Betz), so if you wanted 10 - 12cm in tibia you would be clicking around 1 year before you even start consolidating, which is not realistic. I do not think it is practically doable anymore even though the nail may allow more than 5cm. Best to speak to Dr Becker.
As an aside, Prof Betz back then discouraged tibia because a) you break more bones, b) it is harder to lengthen more and c) you have risk of unique, and serious, complications such as compartment syndrome. He told me in detail about one such case and I think that made him shy away from tibia, unless the patient insists.
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Quote from: 1team on January 03, 2024, 12:55:05 AMAny permanent issues or weird proportions with doing these lengths? I've seen mockups and some patients who have done it and look like obvious limb lengthening patients but maybe with proper clothing to hide it looks more normal?
Anything above 5cm-6cm will be visible to someone looking closely, especially when there is no clothes hiding your new proportions. For someone sensitised to it, or knowing about this, they will see it even below that number. Clothes does help of course, but as with many things height related, the devil here is in your head. The clothes will never be able to hide it from you! 
Therefore it is one decision you will have to make, proportions or height. Many patients choose height because ultimately it counts for more. By the time a woman sees you nked and may contemplate your proportions you've already scored if you know what I mean 
Quote from: ThirdSpace on January 02, 2024, 10:59:17 PMThanks brotha - this is really helpful. When I change my height on dating profiles from 5'7' to 5'10 (178 cm), the matches I get are night and day. At the former height, every other girl is a fattie, and at the latter height, they're a baddie haha
I believe it is true - height is a hard threshold for women. But I believe weight is a threshhold for men as well. Everyone has their taste and preference. The best thing is to do this surgery for yourself. There is more to life than women. Even the riches billionaires get divorced and the tallest men as well. My lay count is in the 30's, but it's the lack of self-esteem which is making me pursue this. I have changed every aspect of my life, and I will feel restless until I know I've done everything about my height.
When I had my old height or didn't even put my height, I would get very few matches. I remember post surgery at the hospital in Freiburg I changed my height to like 176cm and I got much more matches. Today I put 181cm in my profile, and I've been on three dates and nobody even questioned my height. As long as you are taller than the girl, they can't tell the difference between 177cm and 181cm. Especially in shoes.
Yeah that hard threshold is real! True, men will have a hard threshold when it comes to weight. But research I've read shows that mens threshold are much more pliable than womens.
Quote from: finertoga on January 03, 2024, 04:07:34 AM
Hey what’s up man thanks for sharing. I remember reading your diary about your experiences with girls, and to be honest I couldn’t believe what I was reading. It just seemed too ridiculous that you could go from somewhat invisible to being on the radar of almost every girl you notice, but you have absolutely no reason to lie and I’m inclined to believe you.
I’m around the same height (about 167cm) and my experiences are almost entirely identical to you pre-LL. I had attractive GF’s, would get called handsome and attractive every now and then but I really have to put in work to get girls. Many girls would show no interest but I still was able to get girls that were attracted to me if I worked at it. However when I’d go out to clubs and bars I’d feel invisible next to my taller friends.
I wanted to ask you some questions,
1) do you think 173cm will still be a huge change from 167? I don’t think I’ll be able to reach 177 especially since I’m doing tibia, but curious what your thoughts are on if 6cm is still worth it. I am in the US so avg height here is less than Europe.
2) before you did LL did you notice you would get way more looks and smiles from girls if they were sitting down or looking at you from a perspective where they couldn’t tell your height? I noticed when I’m walking around that many women sitting down would stare at me or smile, whereas women that were walking wouldn’t even glance in my direction. It’s like the short height just completely takes away any points you have with your face, but when they are seated and can’t tell your height all of a sudden you get more attention. Honestly it’s demoralizing. Did you also experience something similar?
The sheer amount of positive attention you get from a 12cm change is really unbelievable, at times I still can’t believe what I’m reading. If I could even get half of the change you got from going to 173cm it would be worth it to me.
I completely understand it was hard to believe reading what I wrote, and to be honest it is hard to believe myself even though I'm the actual one who has experienced this. I keep thinking to myself, one day now I'll wake up and it all would just have been a dream. Your experience with being able to get attractive girls, but having to put in the work is also my experience. Though I would say for me this got progressively harder as got older. In my early and late teens hard work would actually work with many girls, but as I got older and moved into my 20s and 30s things just got harder. And something that really bothered me is that I would NEVER even how hard I worked be able to attract women my own age. Sure, young hot women are fun and all. But finding someone on your level intellectually and in life experience is something I've never experienced. My hypothesis for why attracting women has gotten harder as I've gotten older is simply because the older the women is the more she wants a man rather than boy. And my short stature kept me looking more like boy than a man, if that makes sense.
Clubs and bars used to be hard for me pre surgery, and now they have become an open arena where I have so much fun. It is really strange how that has changed.
To your questions:
1) Yes, I do think going from 167cm to 173cm will make a big difference. Will be as big as me going from 165cm til 177cm? Probably not, but who knows. The difference you may experience can be as big. My hypothesis is that the more attractive you are, the more you will benefit from this. A man who is an 8/10 in the face will have a much bigger change in female attraction going from 167cm to 173cm than a man who is a 5/10 (average joe) going from 165cm to 175cm. Another key factor is the benefit from being short to becoming close to average. In the US the average male height is 175cm (or 5'9). Today you are 8cm shorter than that, which is noticeable. But at 173cm you are only 2cm shorter than the average. You and your friends will be hard pressed to even notice you them being shorter. Case in point, I've been asked if I am around 180cm by a few people and even 183cm by one friend. It is easy for people to tell you are short, but hard to notice a few cm.
2) I don't think I have any reliable data about sitting down before and now. And that is just because standing up is the default position anywhere right. If you are at a restaurant, a cafe or a party, you have to walk in to the place and that is when people will notice you. Even if you don't notice them. I don't remember getting many looks or stares before, and nothing like what I am getting now. With that being said I do have a few experiences where I was already at a party or a venue and girls came in and sat with us. The summer before I got the surgery I was at this party and this super hot blond chick arrived and we where instantly attracted to each other. It's a funny story. We where a group of like 6 guys, most of us strangers and this girl walks in. You could feel the attraction in the air, and we where just drawn to each other. Sitting across each other we where talking to one another like there was nobody else in the room. She then came over to sit next to me and we where all hands on each other flirting intensely. So much that one of the other guys asked "do you guys know each other?" where we responded no. As the party ended and we where to leave we both stood up and she was probably around 175cm in heals or so and her whole demeanour changed. Suddenly she didn't seem interested anymore. That was a real mindfk and real wake up call for me. It was also one of the few like intense attraction moments that I had pre surgery. Now though, I have more experiences like that than I can remember, and that is why I keep notes and diary.
Today I truly believe that height comes before looks. And that is only because height is hard threshold for women. For most women it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you don't meet that heigh requirement. But as in my experience, once you reach that height threshold and you have an attractive face your life will change.
Yes the difference in my experience is truly insane. I too find it hard to believe and sometimes I don't, and for a long time I didn't. I've had to change my mindset and self image the past seven months and accept my new self.
Quote from: Body Builder on January 03, 2024, 04:34:29 AMGoing 1.76(the same as you almost) from 1.685 I can't say I had so much success although I have more than before (still even before I have some syccesses) but the biggest difference is how I feel with myself.
But for sure I didn't have hot young women come to me on their own to make out in the clubs as in your case and we are the same age, I am good looking and always well groomed (with good style and hair without any baldness at all), muscular and looking easily 4 years less than I am.
Maybe you are lucky I don't know or maybe in your country women are more.open minded. But the reality is not that by becoming 1.77 the women will crush on you every night or things like that. Even if you are 1.85 thats not the reality for most men.
But of course you are way more visible compared to any height less than 170 where you are literally invisible for most women.
Did you go from 168,5cm to 176cm or are you going to do this? I agree that for most men this won't their experience, even reaching taller heights than me. I think the combination of my looks and going from short to around average has given me the best case scenario. At first I thought it may have been luck, like that first day I was out in May. Later that night a random walking by when I was waiting for the buss walked up to me and said "hey there handsome" and gave me kiss on the cheek. I mean come on, I didn't even know that ever happened to anybody. So after that I started to take notes and write down my experiences so I could measure if it was all luck or a real change. And after seven months and more than 90 positive experiences with women I can confidently say the change is real and not just luck. In the past seven months I have experienced things I have NEVER experienced before. Like that random "hey there handsome" in May, those two girls on the dance floor on New Years, random girls coming up to me and calling me handsome, random girls I chat with a night clubs asking me why I haven't made a move on them, etc etc.
Quote from: finertoga on January 03, 2024, 06:16:24 AMMy theory is that he has model looks. I believe your face doesn’t even register in a woman’s mind if you’re very short. So when he reached 177 its almost like he “unlocked” his facial aesthetics since he passed the minimum threshold of height for most women. It’s interesting to think about, but no other explanation. You don’t get that kind of female attention from height alone.
I don't know if I have model looks, but I do get compliments from women on my looks on a regular basis now. Compliments I NEVER got pre surgery.
I do think you are correct about unlocking something because of my past vs current experience. I can recall 4-5 times I have been called handsome or good looking by women from the age of 13 - 35. And in the past seven months I have noted 31 separate instances where I have been called "handsome", "good looking", "hot" or "pretty". So no, I don't believe height alone is the reason.
Quote from: 1team on January 03, 2024, 06:54:21 AMThis guy must be in top 1% of looks. From his stories it sounds like he could have been a runway model if he was taller when younger. This sort of behaviour he is experiencing I have seen happen in clubs but to minor celeb types not unknown guys. It's definately not height as 177cm is by young women in their prime to be unimpressive height especially in Europe and late 30s is basically grandpa age to them.
To further make my point there are guys who are 177cm and taller wanting to get LL saying they struggle with women and that 6ft is the new 'bare minimum' for women now when OP is having this level of success and 6cm shorter than the supposed 'bare minimum'. You can see these average height types who want LL on any height related forum or video comment section.
Not sure about being in the top 1%. But what I can say is that I have now started to hang out with the guys who we all hated when we where younger. The Chads of the friend groups who would always get women attention and "steal" the girls. I think those guys have had a hard time keeping friends because most guys get sick of them "stealing" the show. Which is something I totally understand. I have friends who are above 2m and I used to hate going out with them because I would literally be invisible to women. But now though I tend to get more female attention compared to them and one of them even told me this past summer that he felt invisible when out with me and it really bummed him out. Talk about switching roles.
Quote from: Stand taller on January 03, 2024, 11:56:20 AMDid you go from 168,5cm to 176cm or are you going to do this? I agree that for most men this won't their experience, even reaching taller heights than me. I think the combination of my looks and going from short to around average has given me the best case scenario. At first I thought it may have been luck, like that first day I was out in May. Later that night a random walking by when I was waiting for the buss walked up to me and said "hey there handsome" and gave me kiss on the cheek. I mean come on, I didn't even know that ever happened to anybody. So after that I started to take notes and write down my experiences so I could measure if it was all luck or a real change. And after seven months and more than 90 positive experiences with women I can confidently say the change is real and not just luck. In the past seven months I have experienced things I have NEVER experienced before. Like that random "hey there handsome" in May, those two girls on the dance floor on New Years, random girls coming up to me and calling me handsome, random girls I chat with a night clubs asking me why I haven't made a move on them, etc etc.
I did LL before 10+ years. What you describe is of course not only luck. But it is luck too for sure.
Quote from: Stand taller on January 03, 2024, 12:13:59 PMNot sure about being in the top 1%. But what I can say is that I have now started to hang out with the guys who we all hated when we where younger. The Chads of the friend groups who would always get women attention and "steal" the girls. I think those guys have had a hard time keeping friends because most guys get sick of them "stealing" the show. Which is something I totally understand. I have friends who are above 2m and I used to hate going out with them because I would literally be invisible to women. But now though I tend to get more female attention compared to them and one of them even told me this past summer that he felt invisible when out with me and it really bummed him out. Talk about switching roles.
I cringed physically, don't forget to swallow from the amount of gobbling you're doing.
Maybe it's you the girl who got stolen 😂
QuoteIn the past two months alone I have had 14 sxxual experiences with women - which is half as many as from the age of 13-35.
Just to be clear, by the word experience you mean sleeping with, intercourse, right? Alone together without clothes on in the same room or bed, and not simply making out, etc. That just isn't too clear from the rest of what you're telling here.
And if so you had 28 partners by 35 and before LL? Not too bad of a number I guess, all things considering, quite a bit above the average.
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