Quote from: TheDream on January 06, 2024, 06:59:36 PMNot exactly. When you go from an acceptance rate of 15% to an acceptance rate of 87% it does not mean your attraction level has increased from 0.15 to 0.87. That is, acceptance rate does not equal attraction.
Basically it means you wouldn’t get outright rejected immediately due to your height, thus the females would expend the time and energy to actually look at your different qualities and decide if they like you or not. These qualities which they evaluate is your attraction.
Imagine an algorithm:
If Male.height >= Female.height_threshold:
Female.evaluate_attraction(Male)
Else:
Female.discard(Male)
Now obviously the more time a male and female interact the more complex attraction becomes, and this does not hold. But for rapid dating like speed dating, night clubs or dating apps I feel this is an accurate approximation.
This is why I think height is becoming more and more fierce in modern dating, because young people do not spend time together in social groups in the mall etc. where natural attraction between a boy and a girl can arise across a wide spectrum of heights.
Modern dating is more fast paced with apps, speed dating, social media etc. so it converges towards this simplified model where height becomes a sort of filter criteria.
Now you can argue height itself is also a parameter in the attraction qualities themselves. But what they are quantifying in the study with acceptance rate is not attraction itself but simply how many women would evaluate your attraction at that specific height.
Sure, I completely agree with you assessment here. Acceptance rate is not the same as attraction level. But with that being said, I think in practice it will pretty much have the same effect. I think you will experience being almost six times more attractive vs before. Six times may sound very high, but considering you are starting from a low point of attraction it is not crazy.
Again, I agree they are not equal - but I think they will feel pretty similar.
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Quote from: finertoga on January 07, 2024, 03:17:10 AM
I don’t think it’s any different from a school application. Most top schools require a minimum 3.0 gpa, so if you are under this your application is immediately discarded and not even looked at. What the >3.0 GPA does is gives you the opportunity to have your application evaluated in more depth, but by no means is it a guarantee of admission.
In a similar light, as your algorithm shows if you are under the height threshold you are immediately rejected. But once you pass that minimum height requirement she’ll now take more time to evaluate you holistically. Because height is so quantitative it’s an easy filtering mechanism for women, and tends to be the first thing that’s evaluated to “weed out” the shorter men.
Yeah, I think this accurately describes the reality of height in attraction.
Quote from: Stand taller on January 05, 2024, 08:39:02 PMI think your assessment here is pretty accurate regarding height and minimum threshold for attraction. There are a bunch of studies done on rejection rate at different heights. If I remember correct there seems to be a plateau from around 177 - 187cm. I think rejection rate base on height at 177cm is around 15% and around 5% at 187cm. Below 177cm there is a steep drop off where the rejection rate based on height at 165cm is like 85%. There is also a drop above 187cm, but not nearly as severe as the drop off below 177cm.
Remember though, this is a study based on what women said and not what they do. I think most women will be hard pressed to tell the difference between 177cm and 182cm for example, and on the other end I think most women may be doing virtue signaling when it comes to rejecting short men. I think the rejection rate at 165cm (my old height) is way more than 85%.
Exactly, very few women can tell the difference between 177 or 182. They just want a guy who is comfortably taller than them, if they're average or short, or a guy who is slightly taller if she is tall. If the average western woman is 163, it's easy for her to tell that you're not very tall at 165. But if you're 170 it starts to become harder, and at 180 it doesn't really matter.
For example, I can't really tell if a guy is 195cm or 2m.
The trend about women only wanting guys who are above 180cms(in metric countries) or 6'(in imperial) is mostly bull and also caused by 5'10"-5'11" guys claiming they're 6', so women think that average to slightly above average guys are always 6'+.
Quote from: Stand taller on January 08, 2024, 02:21:34 PMSure, I completely agree with you assessment here. Acceptance rate is not the same as attraction level. But with that being said, I think in practice it will pretty much have the same effect. I think you will experience being almost six times more attractive vs before. Six times may sound very high, but considering you are starting from a low point of attraction it is not crazy.
Again, I agree they are not equal - but I think they will feel pretty similar.
Well, in theory, you can still attract 0 at your new height. I do know guys who are tall and can't get anything. So 6 times 0 is still 0. But in all likelihood it will increase your chances with girls a lot.
Quote from: Temoc on January 09, 2024, 12:56:09 AMExactly, very few women can tell the difference between 177 or 182. They just want a guy who is comfortably taller than them, if they're average or short, or a guy who is slightly taller if she is tall. If the average western woman is 163, it's easy for her to tell that you're not very tall at 165. But if you're 170 it starts to become harder, and at 180 it doesn't really matter.
For example, I can't really tell if a guy is 195cm or 2m.
The trend about women only wanting guys who are above 180cms(in metric countries) or 6'(in imperial) is mostly bull and also caused by 5'10"-5'11" guys claiming they're 6', so women think that average to slightly above average guys are always 6'+.
Yeah that is all true. I remember when I was 165cm, I didn't even think about who of my taller friends where either 177cm og 182cm. Case in point, two of my best friends are these heights and I never ever though they where at different heights, the thought just didn't cross my mind. Now though, in shoes I am slightly taller than my friend who claimed to be 177cm. So I am now thinking that he isn't really 177cm and maybe around 175cm. And my other friend who is 182cm is just a little taller than me.
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Well, in theory, you can still attract 0 at your new height. I do know guys who are tall and can't get anything. So 6 times 0 is still 0. But in all likelihood it will increase your chances with girls a lot.
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Quote from: finertoga on January 06, 2024, 12:48:01 AMI think your theory is correct. With me I’ve noticed almost no women look at me unless they’re sitting down and can’t tell my height. It’s a bit of a mind f*ck, I’m 5’5.5” and I’m thinking the threshold is right around 5’7” in the US. I actually just bought 1.5” lifts so I’m gonna test the theory out and see what happens. I don’t think I’m as good looking as standing Taller, but I’d say I’m pretty good looking and can attract shorter girls more easily. So let’s see what happens I’ll update you guys.
I tried out the 1.5 inch lifts when I went out, so I was 5’7” and man it made the biggest difference. I got way more looks from women and when I would be talking to them they were much more receptive than usual. I was actually invited back to a table to talk to two girls and I got their numbers, this type of thing would never happen at 5’5ish. I definitely think the threshold is 5’7”, while I was still short it seemed like most women would still give me a chance and I wouldn’t be immediately discarded.
I definitely believe standtallers experience now, I have no doubt 4-5 inches would be life changing, especially if I got this much benefit from less than 2 inches.
Quote from: Stand taller on January 02, 2024, 10:21:13 PMTrue! I've always looked much younger than I am, so I am attracting women down to early 20s without a problem. I still have a full head of hair (though it is starting to thin up top) and very few grey hairs. If I am lucky I can still play at this game another 10 years.
Since you lengthened 11,5cm which is a quite considerable amount in one segment, i wanted to ask you about your proportions. Do you think your femurs looks good? What about the knee height, isn't it too low after 11,5cm? Anyone ever commented about your proportions? I think that when sitting down your femurs will looks really long and maybe sticks out. And last question, what is your sitting height?
Thank you for sharing your experience with us, i'm around your height and i can't decide the amount of lengthening because i'm worried about proportions
Quote from: finertoga on January 15, 2024, 11:33:10 PMI tried out the 1.5 inch lifts when I went out, so I was 5’7” and man it made the biggest difference. I got way more looks from women and when I would be talking to them they were much more receptive than usual. I was actually invited back to a table to talk to two girls and I got their numbers, this type of thing would never happen at 5’5ish. I definitely think the threshold is 5’7”, while I was still short it seemed like most women would still give me a chance and I wouldn’t be immediately discarded.
I definitely believe standtallers experience now, I have no doubt 4-5 inches would be life changing, especially if I got this much benefit from less than 2 inches.
It is great to hear about your experience with just wearing 1.5 inch lifts! I also think 5'7 is a threshold, but I also think that 5'8 or 5'9 may be another. And once you are 5'10 you are basically good for around 90-95% of women. Was told last weekend I wasn't a girls type, and I then asked what is your type. She replied "blond hair and 190cm tall". I have dark hair and just wasn't tall enough. You can't win em all!
At my old height I would never approach women, and but since May last year I've probably approached 100-200 women. Heck just last weekend I approached like 10-15 women.
Quote from: Rellec on January 16, 2024, 12:06:01 PMSince you lengthened 11,5cm which is a quite considerable amount in one segment, i wanted to ask you about your proportions. Do you think your femurs looks good? What about the knee height, isn't it too low after 11,5cm? Anyone ever commented about your proportions? I think that when sitting down your femurs will looks really long and maybe sticks out. And last question, what is your sitting height?
Thank you for sharing your experience with us, i'm around your height and i can't decide the amount of lengthening because i'm worried about proportions
I've written a few posts about this in my diary, so go read that for detailed explanation and pictures. But basically I have very close if not identical porportions to my friends who are around my height. Both my seating height and knee height is normal for my height.
stand taller , do you plan to do tibias as well down the road ?
Quote from: short but sweet on January 25, 2024, 06:45:06 AMstand taller , do you plan to do tibias as well down the road ?
I can explain my thoughts this way. I knew that some day I wanted to do LLS no matter what. Going from 165cm to 177cm has changed my life. I think I could still benefit in dating and in business doing another 5cm on tibias. With that being said though, I think the cost/gain ratio is much lower compared to what I've already experienced. My goal moving forward is to get into really good shape with a body fat at around 15%. Then this year I would probably like to do a hair transplant. I could fly to Turkey next week and get it done for cheap, or I could save up some money and do it in my own city. There is clinic here where you don't have to shave you head, which sounds great - but it is like four times as much as going abroad. After that Maybe I'd like to do a beard transplant and other minor stuff. After all of that, I'll fly down to Freiburg and remove my nails. And then, I think I'll be good. I do sometimes (once in a blue moon) think about doing tibias, but it is not on my wishlist at this point in time.
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