How much would you lengthen ?

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Quote from: Shogun on February 01, 2022, 10:37:08 PMAccording to my mock ups, savings and the extreme time i can put into this I would lengthen 15-16cm and be happy, and leave this chapter of life behind me. Still being online in forum ofc every now and then.
That would take me from 5'6 to lil above 6 feet. I dont count shoes or my hair just natural standing height.

Sad part is that I won't be getting it for a couple of years since I am working on myself in different aspects of life. Tho LL will come true and once it will I will be here to describe it all, humerus as well.

Measure your femur and tibial lengths first (you can find videos on how to do so on youtube), and please don't lengthen more than 20% of your initial bone lengths.

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Quote from: Sambollio on January 31, 2022, 09:56:01 PMThank you! This forum needs to reincorporate percentages over flat numbers. If someone is very short their lengthening might be 2cm less than their taller counterparts equivalent length when going off of percentage of original bone length.

No, we still should go on considering both percentages and absolute lenght in cm.
It's a technical medical issue, not for us to decide.
Because there is a part of lenghtening that "obeys" to biological "flat" trends of osteogenesis in adult bones. For some reason most scientific articles mention centimeters of lenght including or not initial height. Most doctors have cm as reference, for example, Paley atempts to lenghten tibias 5 cm (as others 7 cm) regardless of initial height (and of course taking into account individual biological response).
At the same time, consequently or not, more than 20% is not acceptable by all serious surgeons for healthy patients.
Of course imagining duplicating lenght of bones, muscles, nerves and tendons is biologically and anatomically absurd (except when it's done in big trauma and some forms of nanism).

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Quote from: zaozari on February 02, 2022, 06:28:46 PMNo, we still should go on considering both percentages and absolute lenght in cm.
It's a technical medical issue, not for us to decide.
Because there is a part of lenghtening that "obeys" to biological "flat" trends of osteogenesis in adult bones. For some reason most scientific articles mention centimeters of lenght including or not initial height. Most doctors have cm as reference, for example, Paley atempts to lenghten tibias 5 cm (as others 7 cm) regardless of initial height (and of course taking into account individual biological response).
At the same time, consequently or not, more than 20% is not acceptable by all serious surgeons for healthy patients.
Of course imagining duplicating lenght of bones, muscles, nerves and tendons is biologically and anatomically absurd (except when it's done in big trauma and some forms of nanism).

People usually cite cm for the simple reason that most of the site falls within a certain ranges of height (5'4'5'8 or so), and most people have certain ratios between their tibias and femurs.

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Quote from: ReadRothbard on February 01, 2022, 11:13:30 PMMeasure your femur and tibial lengths first (you can find videos on how to do so on youtube), and please don't lengthen more than 20% of your initial bone lengths.

Time won't be a problem for me. I can take 2 years off if i have to.Any therapies or whatever exercises to achieve my goal safely and slowly. As soon as i feel my nerves hurting, tendons being tight or whatever, lengthening slows down and hard physiotherapy will do the work. I am a person who believes *slow and study wins the race*.

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Quote from: ReadRothbard on February 02, 2022, 08:06:02 PMPeople usually cite cm for the simple reason that most of the site falls within a certain ranges of height (5'4'5'8 or so), and most people have certain ratios between their tibias and femurs.

I meant research articles, websites of surgeons and my personal contacts with them, not this forum particularly....But I am not saying it's wrong the percentage approach. I just think, from those sources, that the more correct approach seems to be "mixed" and case by case, while respecting certain generalizations such as the 20% "rule".

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I think that following blindly some rules it's kinda like trying to convince yourself that you did it all to stay safe by following medical "guidelines" ,in order to justify bigger amounts of lengthening.
In reality,  LL it's not that new , but CLL is and n LL discrepancy patient even with loss of athletic ability would be way better if they have equaly long legs , while for CLL patients it's not the same thing ,at all,so same stats do not apply to us .
Also I said in so many times but people seems to not wanna hear it : Not even 10 years ago doctors lengthened tibia more then femur and safe limits were what we would consider foolish today .

A guy in this forum lengthened 9 cm with betz and he was 5'8 (don't remember his nickname) .
He lost so much of its leg power and he has limitations when it comes to sports,strength etc.
He was not a dwarf with 10cm femurs , but he still got a bad outcome and he was probably just SLIGHLY over the 20% of his femur length.
Let's say he did 8 or 8.5 cm ...result would have been the same !
He wished he stopped the lengthening at 5 or 6 cm I believe ... and his story should teach us since he did us the favour to share it .
I really don't care what some unknown ppl around the world
Will do with their legs , but their bad outcome sometimes harms this community because they refuse to tell the story as it is and keep blaming other factors of the procedure and we all get scared and anxious when we do not know the real backgrounds .
Idk how ppl here can believe more to stats then ACTUALL former patients but whatever ..Like zaozari said , it's ok to focus on % but to a certain degree.

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I will give Paley's Option 5 a try if failed or couldn't achieve my goal I would kill myself

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Quote from: Mulholland Dr on February 03, 2022, 10:20:16 AMI will give Paley's Option 5 a try if failed or couldn't achieve my goal I would kill myself

Can you stop?

We got it , you would ; hope Paley can help you !
And if he can't there is always betz ,guichet n giotikas who use albizza based nails and almost cripple people with 10 cm femur ; add to that 6 cm tibia with another good doctor and u got 16 cm ,congrats !

People at 5'7 aim at 5'9 and are super happy with it but nope , you want to be tall from 5'5 ( that s ur height I believe) or you would kill yourself as if you knew what being avarage feels like but we already discussed that so u have Paley and some  butchers around who would not interfeer with your psychological problem and will lengthen you to ur desire .

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Quote from: Masteryourlife on February 03, 2022, 09:39:58 AMI think that following blindly some rules it's kinda like trying to convince yourself that you did it all to stay safe by following medical "guidelines" ,in order to justify bigger amounts of lengthening.
In reality,  LL it's not that new , but CLL is and n LL discrepancy patient even with loss of athletic ability would be way better if they have equaly long legs , while for CLL patients it's not the same thing ,at all,so same stats do not apply to us .
Also I said in so many times but people seems to not wanna hear it : Not even 10 years ago doctors lengthened tibia more then femur and safe limits were what we would consider foolish today .

A guy in this forum lengthened 9 cm with betz and he was 5'8 (don't remember his nickname) .
He lost so much of its leg power and he has limitations when it comes to sports,strength etc.
He was not a dwarf with 10cm femurs , but he still got a bad outcome and he was probably just SLIGHLY over the 20% of his femur length.
Let's say he did 8 or 8.5 cm ...result would have been the same !
He wished he stopped the lengthening at 5 or 6 cm I believe ... and his story should teach us since he did us the favour to share it .
I really don't care what some unknown ppl around the world
Will do with their legs , but their bad outcome sometimes harms this community because they refuse to tell the story as it is and keep blaming other factors of the procedure and we all get scared and anxious when we do not know the real backgrounds .
Idk how ppl here can believe more to stats then ACTUALL former patients but whatever ..Like zaozari said , it's ok to focus on % but to a certain degree.

I generally agree, but like I said, we should treat 20% as a hard limit, and really 15% is much better. And ofc, these are just guidelines; I agree that you should focus on your own situation, your own body's reaction, and most importantly, your own doctor's advice.