Is it possible to grow "width" wise (shoulders)

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Is wolfs law also valid whilst your growth plates are fused?

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Quote from: a on September 12, 2020, 08:26:55 PMIs wolfs law also valid whilst your growth plates are fused?

collarbones dont fully mature until 25

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For the average maybe, but I've had a weird puberty. I had nothing, within a year I grew up like 4-5 inches and as soon as I grew suddenly I started to grow a beard. I feel like my whole body is corrupt rn. I feel like this is what I'm gonna be for the rest of my life. I hadn't have a good puberty, like growing regularly every year. Nope, just a year then I was done lol. Haven't grown as my shoulders for the past 3 years anyway. Not even a single mm.

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Quote from: Polvorón on September 10, 2020, 10:09:31 PMDoes it lengthen the bone?
I am not asking about winning a bodybuilding context, I mean getting the actual bone longer, real and measurable length, not appearance.

I have trained at gym a lot of years after that, I have abandoned it due my short height deception, I don't want to train my muscles if I don't become taller first. I know that it can be useful, but weight training it's too difficult for me now.

You are 1.73 and stopped training because you are short?
And you want a surgery to lengthen your clavicles instead of building muscles?

You seem to have some big mental issues.
Clavicle lengthening is only for psychos, and also no respectable doctors do it (for a reason of course).
Have luck with it.

And the same goes for anyone who want to become bigger without effort.
Becoming big and muscular wants sacrifices and high efforts.
It is not for kids.

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technically having a wider clavicle is an insane advantage, Half skinny guys who are just average look tiny. But I'ce seen a lot of half skinny tall guys, they still looked wide lol. It's all due to their clavicle width. But yes, I'd never lengthen my clavicle though.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 09, 2020, 12:09:46 PMOnly by building muscles.
If you are a skinny one then steroids is the only way to go to have big shoulders, although I don't agree with that. Especially people who don't train for years won't see much difference even with steroids.

I thought people who just start working out will see results the fastest? Compared to someone who is already far into body building, he will have to work much harder to see smaller gains, or will have reached his genetic peak already. It takes much more work to go from 80% to 100% than from 0 to 50%.

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Quote from: SkyHigh77 on September 11, 2020, 12:50:31 AM4. Clavicle lengthening is the final. The widening the bone kind of like leg-lengthening but for the clavicle. Only two doctors I think do it. Dr Eppley and Dr. Leif from Beverly Hills
apparently clavicle surgery is common among females who want to shorten but the opposite can be done. It does leave a scar unless you take care of that immediately and is diligent with minimizing

Thank you, maybe it is difficult, but I think that it's better because it changes your skeleton, so you will look better after death or in X-rays too.
Quote from: SkyHigh77 on September 11, 2020, 12:50:31 AMYou should try to add bulk regardless you get the surgery or not

I am not interested in bodybuilding for now, I know that it is not a bad idea, but... not for me.

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Quote from: Polvorón on September 13, 2020, 09:59:58 PMThank you, maybe it is difficult, but I think that it's better because it changes your skeleton, so you will look better after death or in X-rays too.I am not interested in bodybuilding for now, I know that it is not a bad idea, but... not for me.

not bodybuilding per se but you should definelty focus on increasing muscle mass.
 if you do decide to go through with the LL procedure, you definitely need to improve your physical fitness. otherwise you are setting yourself up for failure. getting your walking back to normal will take MUCH longer and if you lack upper body strength, then you will struggle with a walker or crutches 

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Sooo thats a no go on the clavicle surgery?

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on September 13, 2020, 04:30:55 PMI thought people who just start working out will see results the fastest? Compared to someone who is already far into body building, he will have to work much harder to see smaller gains, or will have reached his genetic peak already. It takes much more work to go from 80% to 100% than from 0 to 50%.

Well said.
But some skinny dudes will never have respectable muscles if they don't juice.
However, I am against taking aas for only aesthetical reasons.

The majority of men though will see good results with weightlifting. But they need to be consistent and always make a big effort to get bigger and bigger.