Quote from: bookedbooksies on May 13, 2023, 01:57:45 PMi dont agree with your advice
1. its school, its not college. school doesnt even matter in the grand scheme of things. school is just where you get high enough grades to be able to get into a college with the specialty you want
you advise him to do one more year of school and get 1 more year of bullying memories imprinted forever in his brain
No. I am advising him to focus on finishing high school and doing well on his assignments and exams. Then taking a gap year between high school and college or between high school and working to focus on LL if that is what he goes for.
You don’t want to be having assignments with deadlines, exams etc. while dealing with LL. You want to be able to focus 100% on LL when doing that.
Otherwise it will affect both his grades at school and his LL negatively as it is too much at once. You don’t want to be rushing either to try and keep up with the other.
Quote from: bookedbooksies on May 13, 2023, 01:57:45 PM
2. gym? what gym at 5'4? lmao
OP should be doing LL THIS SUMMER if he wants to save himself the mental trauma of more bullying, and more depression. take action NOW
Physical activity is important. It doesn’t matter what height you have. It’s not to be done as a prestige thing to try and obtain status. But simply to be in good cardiovascular form as well as having good physical strength.
Doing LL this summer would mean he couldn’t even finish lengthening by the time school begins again yet alone consolidation and physical training.
You need peace and quiet to focus on LL. This isn’t a hair transplant. Do you think they wouldn’t just bully him more if he came back in a wheelchair and had LL done? What world do you live in.
Quote from: TheDream on May 13, 2023, 01:40:08 PMSilentGhost this is genuine advice, from someone who also had height neurosis in high school. I’m talking to you now as I would to my younger self.
Forget about doing LL while in high school. I know emotionally you are in a lot of distress. But it wont end well trying to mix LL with school. It will just cause more pain and difficulties.
You are very young, and you have lots of time to do LL. For now focus on completing school. I know you really desire respect etc. from the others because it is only human.
But realize this: if people are disrespecting you because of your height it is because you are in an unhealthy environment etc.
I would also recommend talking to a therapist about the emotional distress. Not to talk you out of LL. Because that is your choice. But simply to talk about the emotional distress from the disrespect etc. Because they can be a great help in managing emotions in an unhealthy environment and not let it affect your focus in School and the gym.
The best move you can do, and I wish I could turn back time and do this myself, is just to focus 100% on School and gym/sports.
Once you have completed school you could take a year off to focus on LL.
Anyone who even mentions the words 'therapy' should be banned and sent all the way back to the reddit soy sub they came from. No, muh therapy won't help you overcome bullying and feelings of inadequacy for being short - because you ARE inadequate, that's just a fact, society has determined tall is good and short is bad, you actually ARE the inferior of tall people in the eyes of society, and no amount of bluepilled bull about 'focusing on yourself' will change that. Everyone cares about what others think, it's healthy to care about what others think and it's how society functions. Do not spend a single cent on (((therapy))) sessions, put it all towards LL and recovery time.
Don't 'focus on school' (i.e. bury yourself in your books) like some Asian studycel, there is no reason one cannot get decent grades AND have a social life, it's just going to require you to be taller.
OP - get the surgery ASAP, 5ft 3 is death tier and you're going to need a couple of surgeries to get you up to a normal height of around 5ft 9. Which still isn't great tbh but it kicks the hell out of 5ft 3, you'll at least have a chance at dating then.
Quote from: p00293 on May 13, 2023, 02:44:31 PMAnyone who even mentions the words 'therapy' should be banned and sent all the way back to the reddit soy sub they came from. No, muh therapy won't help you overcome bullying and feelings of inadequacy for being short - because you ARE inadequate, that's just a fact, society has determined tall is good and short is bad, you actually ARE the inferior of tall people in the eyes of society, and no amount of bluepilled bull about 'focusing on yourself' will change that. Everyone cares about what others think, it's healthy to care about what others think and it's how society functions. Do not spend a single cent on (((therapy))) sessions, put it all towards LL and recovery time.
Don't 'focus on school' (i.e. bury yourself in your books) like some Asian studycel, there is no reason one cannot get decent grades AND have a social life, it's just going to require you to be taller.
OP - get the surgery ASAP, 5ft 3 is death tier and you're going to need a couple of surgeries to get you up to a normal height of around 5ft 9. Which still isn't great tbh but it kicks the hell out of 5ft 3, you'll at least have a chance at dating then.
Again. I’m not saying he should get therapy as an alternative to LL. But to help process the negative emotions, and keep the focus on school to complete it as well as possible. Then taking a gap year between high school and college if he wants to do LL. So he can focus fully on lengthening and recovery, and not risking having to move around campus in a wheelchair and having to worry about deadlines and examinations while doing LL.
Quote from: TheDream on May 13, 2023, 02:55:49 PMAgain. I’m not saying he should get therapy as an alternative to LL. But to help process the negative emotions, and keep the focus on school to complete it as well as possible. Then taking a gap year between high school and college if he wants to do LL. So he can focus fully on lengthening and recovery, and not risking having to move around campus in a wheelchair and having to worry about deadlines and examinations while doing LL.
OP disregard this guy's posts
do not do precice and you wont need a wheelchair, you will be on crutches with the weight bearing options I outlined above and after the initial surgery you need about 1 month - 1 month and a half to get back to a suitable mental space where you would be able to do your online school stuff, if you time this period to be over the summer break, you can do your online school classes sufficiently focused enough while doing the lengthening back at home in canada
the lengthening will take about 4 to 4.5 months after which point you just stop doing your daily turns and just continue with the daily physical therapy and stretching, and you can do that while doing school work if your time management is on point
having the support and help of your parents is the key in this, and hoping your parents are nice and caring people because they need to be patient with you over this period.
plan to be back walking normally for the next school year, i dont know how long is school in canada, but youre 17 now so i guess you got 2 more years or what?
Hello again, guys!
I am surprised from all of the feedback and support that you guys give me. It really does mean a lot, as I was scared to write in this forum for a long time.
To bring you guys some context, I will be incredibly honest. I have not been in a good mental space for over a year now, and though my parents support me with the surgery, I just hate them for what they did and the fact they didn't notice that I was smaller from my other siblings.
Doing the surgery now, would be a good decision, but I don't know if I would be able to as I have been living a very bad lifestyle lately as nothing doesn't make sense anymore and at the end of the day it is a pretty risky surgery. And I am scared it will hurt a lot and if it will affect my sport abilities. Have any of you guys done the surgery? What do you think?
Also, from what I understand stride will come at the end of this year, but Paley will only do surgeries with it in the first year(and I am required to stay 3 months in the US). Is it worth it to wait for it?
Hi OP,
First things first, where are you from? EU? Also, we share the same mindset about fast recovery and lengthening conservatively. I am currently doing LL with the betzbone and I'm currently on day 18 post OP, and today I can walk without crutches around the house. My hips sway, and I don't have much strength on the legs atm, but overtime will improve. If you plan to do 6cm with the betzbone, you'll be more than able to go back to school after summer (if you do surgery at start of summer). Don't listen to these guys, most of them talk trash.
You mentioned about the d page about LL? Shoot a message into the "community chat" explaining your dilemma, and we can talk more there.
Quote from: SilentGhost on May 13, 2023, 03:49:07 PM
To bring you guys some context, I will be incredibly honest. I have not been in a good mental space for over a year now, and though my parents support me with the surgery, I just hate them for what they did and the fact they didn't notice that I was smaller from my other siblings.
That’s why I suggested therapy. Not because there is something wrong with you, but because it can be a good place to talk to someone well trained about these complicated emotions. And help you process / deal with them in a healthy way, so they are not just running wild inside of you and you are alone with them. You don’t even have to mention LL if you don’t want to, but simply the feelings you have about your parents, school etc.
When these negative feelings are given free reign as we can’t talk to anyone about them they consume us as we go in a really bad mental state, and can’t be as consistent with school, gym etc. which just makes it even worse.
Quote from: SilentGhost on May 13, 2023, 03:49:07 PMDoing the surgery now, would be a good decision, but I don't know if I would be able to as I have been living a very bad lifestyle lately as nothing doesn't make sense anymore and at the end of the day it is a pretty risky surgery. And I am scared it will hurt a lot and if it will affect my sport abilities. Have any of you guys done the surgery? What do you think?
The pain varies in intensity, depending on many things such as how much you lengthen, how fast you lengthen, how well you stretch, and other factors, but you should be realistic and expect pain when going through this. You should not rush into this. That would be very unwise. Take your time and read up on it.
Quote from: SilentGhost on May 13, 2023, 03:49:07 PMAlso, from what I understand stride will come at the end of this year, but Paley will only do surgeries with it in the first year(and I am required to stay 3 months in the US). Is it worth it to wait for it?
Stryde does have very good weight bearing properties which means you are much more mobile during the whole process. When Stryde comes out exactly I do not know. But again. My recommendation is do not rush into this. Take your time. Finish school. You could maybe visit either Paley or another institute and ask questions / have your x rays taken and get an opinion from the doctors. With no rush or stress.
This is the healthiest way in my opinion.
Quote from: SilentGhost on May 13, 2023, 03:49:07 PMHello again, guys!
I am surprised from all of the feedback and support that you guys give me. It really does mean a lot, as I was scared to write in this forum for a long time.
To bring you guys some context, I will be incredibly honest. I have not been in a good mental space for over a year now, and though my parents support me with the surgery, I just hate them for what they did and the fact they didn't notice that I was smaller from my other siblings.
Doing the surgery now, would be a good decision, but I don't know if I would be able to as I have been living a very bad lifestyle lately as nothing doesn't make sense anymore and at the end of the day it is a pretty risky surgery. And I am scared it will hurt a lot and if it will affect my sport abilities. Have any of you guys done the surgery? What do you think?
Also, from what I understand stride will come at the end of this year, but Paley will only do surgeries with it in the first year(and I am required to stay 3 months in the US). Is it worth it to wait for it?
Dude at the end of the day you're 5ft 3. You might just have to accept you're going to be bad at sports in return for the height you NEED to function normally in life. Quite frankly amateur sports isn't important next to being tall, and if you're bad at some irrelevant 5 a side football match it doesn't matter vs having the height you'll need to have any dating success.
I'm lengthening now (gnail - a weight bearing nail). There's good days and bad days, but even the bad days are always manageable. I'd say there's a constant 2-3/10 pain in the legs, more in the form of soreness, like if you worked them out too hard and had terrible DOMS the next day - that sort of "pain" is constant. From time to time it shoots up a bit - if you move the legs into a bad position, or during some clicking sessions - but it's never truly unbearable.
And whatever the pain is, it'll be nothing compared to the pain you'd suffer of living life as a 5ft 3 man.
Quote from: p00293 on May 13, 2023, 05:08:48 PMDude at the end of the day you're 5ft 3. You might just have to accept you're going to be bad at sports in return for the height you NEED to function normally in life. Quite frankly amateur sports isn't important next to being tall, and if you're bad at some irrelevant 5 a side football match it doesn't matter vs having the height you'll need to have any dating success.
I'm lengthening now (gnail - a weight bearing nail). There's good days and bad days, but even the bad days are always manageable. I'd say there's a constant 2-3/10 pain in the legs, more in the form of soreness, like if you worked them out too hard and had terrible DOMS the next day - that sort of "pain" is constant. From time to time it shoots up a bit - if you move the legs into a bad position, or during some clicking sessions - but it's never truly unbearable.
And whatever the pain is, it'll be nothing compared to the pain you'd suffer of living life as a 5ft 3 man.
Yes, it is true, I was a 5'3 man. I'm 25 right now, but if I could do this surgery earlier I would have done it.
Either way, I recommend OP do some soul searching and see if he actually wants to get this done right now or wait a little longer.
Quote from: bookedbooksies on May 13, 2023, 12:05:59 PM
oi laddie
here is the deal, you should not spend a single nanosecond thinking about what your school mates would say for your surgery because
1. its your life, and you will suffer for the entirety of your life if you dont do this surgery and get to human height. because of your young age you will think you would be able to make up for it with personality(kek) and accomplishments, but once you get to college age and god forbid, go to college, the true scale of your disability will hit you with the fury of a thousand mike tyson punches
2. those schoolmates of yours can go suck a deek as far as you should be concerned, they are already 5'9 and ++ and have no idea about your suffering and how much you will suffer in the future as well, anything they say of the sort of "its just height bro!", "make it up in other ways bro!", "just be more confident bro!" are useless memes that will only serve to harm you and your chances in the game of life
3. you are lucky as hell that your parents are already on board to pay for your surgeries(yes you need both femur and tibia after)
4. you should skip one year of school to focus on the first surgery(femurs for max increase of 4 inches), you are young so you will recover very well and fast for which you're also lucky
5. youre turbo manlet height so even if your school mates know about your surgery, everyone will forget within like a week, and also you could change schools and block all your friends from your old school if its such a big deal for you
many members of this forum have finally saved the money for this surgery in their 30s so imagine the horror of spending your prime years (your 20s), at your invisible height, girls are height nazis these days so it would be over for you before you even hit 20
I Agree 100% in everything.
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