At what point did you consider LL, and what did you try before this?

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Quote from: PullmanP on April 02, 2016, 07:18:37 PMThat's cool, thanks for that honesty, I do agree that it's of course an entirely personal thing. It's interesting to have contrasting perspectives of the potential for LL being a fabricated need for some and an actual need for others, and i respect that you've given time, and consideration to other avenues, before deciding it's what you need to cope with it.

Because it is a fabricated need to many of the prospective patients. If you are a loser at life, it has nothing to do with height. I dont have anything going bad for me in life. I am doing LL because my height disturbes me... Not the "What could have been if I was taller" thoughts that are nothing more than creation of the ego in order to give justification to one's insuccess in life. I dont belive that after adding 4,5 20cm my life would drastically change. I dont buy the   about women falling like rain from the sky on people post LL (Especially the already near average ones like me) or the instant respect from other people just because now I am taller. For me it is really about fixing something physical which I am not at all happy about.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on April 02, 2016, 07:03:46 PMI wasnt saying that deciding not to do it is bad or toxic... On the contrary... It took me two years since my height problem started (and with that the discovery of the forums) to book a date for surgery.

Only 2 years TIBIKE? I waited 8 more years to afford internals. Worth every penny.

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Quote from: LLCaptain on April 02, 2016, 07:30:15 PMOnly 2 years TIBIKE? I waited 8 more years to afford internals. Worth every penny.

Luckily, my financial situation was good enough to make the budget consideration not important even at the first day I discovered LL. So it was purely a mental process for me.

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Quote from: LLCaptain on April 02, 2016, 07:30:15 PMOnly 2 years TIBIKE? I waited 8 more years to afford internals. Worth every penny.

What was your pre LL height and what is it now?

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Quote from: PullmanP on April 02, 2016, 06:56:34 PMI think some of that sort of goes without saying. But I'm trying to come at this from an open minded stance; I'd love to say a year or two down the line that with underlying desire for a better overall physique, and after making progress in other areas that I genuinely wasn't bothered by height to a degree that LL was any more than laughable. I could just get over it, and I don't know if that would happen, but I don't think that would be a particularly toxic thing to post. But i respect that negativity can't help with the huge decision to do LL and I wish you all the best with it.

See the bolded.

Who says you have to get over it? I'm serious. Insecurities are part of life for everyone. Height is definitely an insecurity of mine. I am very, very close to average height and being that close makes LL seem that much more appealing.

But who says I have to get over it? This is why I talk about training your brain. I CAN have a good life at 5'7ish, because I already have done it.

I'm rich, wife is attractive, kids are doing well, business is thriving, social circle is decent, body is in shape (although I am in a bulking phase so my 6-pack is gone! Noooo!), I flirt, I tease, etc, etc, etc.

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I posted without finishing my rant...

Is there any point to getting over it? Why can't it just be controlled? Is never thinking about height a realistic expectation of ourselves? Should we beat ourselves up over the height insecurity?

Will I forever compare my height with those around me? Maybe. But I suspect I would do that after LL anyway. Read through my posts, I've said this before, it is very, very difficult to justify LL at our height.

If someone does do it at this height, I certainly understand their reasoning and there is a very good possibility I will also do it myself. If you are 5'9 or above though, you're just insane to do this, and I won't hesitate to judge those people.

But like I said at first, most men at our height don't struggle in life.

Alu schooled me yesterday on this forum about having a tougher skin, and he is absolutely right. I think the vast majority of men in this height range would be fine with just improving their outlooks.

One thing I've been reading about is self-compassion. People talk about self-esteem and self-confidence all the time, but no one talks about self-compassion. If life is good without LL, is it worth it to put yourself through that? There is a huge toll on the psyche with all of this (watch "iamready"'s videos, this is hard on the mind too), not to mention the physical toll.

Is it harder mentally to go through LL or to stay your height? Which one provides the most benefit for your mind, body, soul?

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on April 02, 2016, 07:28:48 PMBecause it is a fabricated need to many of the prospective patients. If you are a loser at life, it has nothing to do with height. I dont have anything going bad for me in life. I am doing LL because my height disturbes me... Not the "What could have been if I was taller" thoughts that are nothing more than creation of the ego in order to give justification to one's insuccess in life. I dont belive that after adding 4,5 20cm my life would drastically change. I dont buy the crap about women falling like rain from the sky on people post LL (Especially the already near average ones like me) or the instant respect from other people just because now I am taller. For me it is really about fixing something physical which I am not at all happy about.

In my mind if you do LL, this is the exact mentality you have to have. (and I think I know Tbike well enough outside this forum to say he really does have his sh*t together)

In this height range a few more inches is not going to drastically change your life if you are struggling. It might make you more successful in things you are already successful at, but it will not fix something that is broken. In other words, if you can't get your d*ck wet at 5'7, ya ain't gonna get it wet at 5'9-5'10 post LL.

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Quote from: LLCaptain on April 02, 2016, 07:30:15 PMOnly 2 years TIBIKE? I waited 8 more years to afford internals. Worth every penny.

Care to give basic details?

Height(s), doctor, how long ago? I've been in contact with Dr. Paley, and I've got to say that internal femurs are tempting.

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Quote from: CCMidwest on April 02, 2016, 05:51:30 PMI don't think there is a single guy in the 5'7ish range on this forum that says they have struggled socially or romantically.

I am and I have struggled romantically (not socially) but I'm also ugly as fk.

It's a winning combination. Girls really dig us short ugly scrawny dudes.

For me it's not ego. It's practical.

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Quote from: maximize on April 02, 2016, 10:02:46 PMI am and I have struggled romantically (not socially) but I'm also ugly as fk.

It's a winning combination. Girls really dig us short ugly scrawny dudes.

For me it's not ego. It's practical.

You made a post last year about not ever doing LL do to the risk of knee or other joint pain. I assume you've changed your mind.

You've done all you can to fix the scrawny and ugly?