Choosing A Doctor - Safety & Budget (Merged)

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I dont know if that LLuster says is true or not, neither do I care (Since I dont consider to be operated by mongreal)... BUT, I do think that people should think about safety before they think about budget when it comes to a surgery like this (Or to any medical procedure of any kind). Dont let money be the thing that make you choose to which doctor to go to. You dont have enough money to go to the top notch docs? Save it up

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Quote from: Thatdude950 on February 05, 2016, 08:05:42 AMNo, not doing the surgery is what makes sense if safety is your concern. More money doesn't mean significantly less risk. We don't have a situation here with a few cheap rogue doctors ruining patients, and then a few experienced expensive guys with little risk and awesome results. There's *signifcant* risk everywhere you go, throwing more money at "good" doctors doesn't change this.

  There is always a risk. But a doctor with 20% complication rate and one with 5% complication rates it what makes the difference

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Quote from: hanshi on February 05, 2016, 04:38:02 AMThe sad truth, which unfortunately people don't recognize is that good doctors don't perform cosmetic LL on normal patients at all. A doctor needs to be ruthless to do this. Therefore i can only recommend to everybody not to go to a doctor who does cosmetic LL in case they get complications. Better go to a doctor who doesn't perform cosmetic LL at all. The simple reason is: they won't lie to you.

 So I can conclude that every plastic surgeon is a ruthless doctor? A ruthless doctor is one who will tell you "With me, nothing will happen to you". A good doctor will tell you "even with the best complications may arise". The first trait to know if a doctor is good or not is honesty... Afterwards come to rest.

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Quote from: Thatdude950 on February 05, 2016, 10:06:26 AMTry 50- 60% (probably higher!) vs 30- 40%. Based on diaries anyway.

mostly diaries with third world countries... Frankly, I have no idea how can someone even think to go to india

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Quote from: hanshi on February 05, 2016, 09:43:23 PMMaybe i didn't make myself clear enough. A good doctor always tries to make sick people healthy again. But looking at cosmetic LL and it's extremely high complication rates it is inevitable for a doctor not to transform from time to time a completely healthy person into a cripple. In order to do this, the doctor has to be ruthless. Think about it. A doctor who specializes in cosmetic LL, i.e. who hardly does anything else actually has to be a sociopath.
The sentence 'complications may arise' is misleading since it still doesn't mention the high probabilities because they are highly relevant. When you enter an airplane you know it might crash, however you know the probability is very low. And none of those drs. specialized in cosmetic LL will tell you the truth about your odds, let alone long-term consequences.

  You dont know what are the % of complication rates with the top notch docs (Paley, Guichet, Catagni), since almost all diaries here are of people who went to third world countries like india, russia, egypt (what the hell were they thinking!), Serbia (No offence to the serbs) and other under-developed countries. Best thing is (in my humble opinion), get a consultation long before you plan to do the surgery, prepare good and though questions, and also, visit some doctors before doing this thing... Not just one. I am planning on seeing Catagni, Paley and guichet before deciding what to do.

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Quote from: goldenegg on February 06, 2016, 12:39:53 AMI have to disagree and this line of thinking is how people rationalize going to bad doctors.  There's a reason why so many orthopedic surgeons refuse to do cosmetic lengthening.  LL is dangerous and risky even with the best doctors, though your odds much are better with good doctors as others have said.

  It's not as risky as some people here believe it to be... Many doctors won't do it for the simple reason that many doctors dont see themselves as good enough to do it. Do you know how many doctors in Israel agree to perform bariatric surgery for cosmetic reasons (not when the person is obese enough)? 2-3 out of maybe 100-200 who know how to do so.

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Quote from: goldenegg on February 06, 2016, 01:11:05 AMthat may be true in some developed and regulated countries, but if you read enough bad diaries you'll see there are plenty of doctors in third world countries who will gladly perform LL on you if you pay them.

  That's why I said in the first post (That was a comment of mine on another post that somehow became an indipendent post) that people should not consider budget but safety first.

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Quote from: goldenegg on February 06, 2016, 01:52:04 AMah my bad.  if you were referring to just top doctors as less risky then I totally agree

  Yeah. I means that with the top doctors (Paley, guichet, Catagni (maybe Pili as well), your risks of complications that can not be treated are much lower than the risk if you are going to third world countries doctors who also post fake diaries...
  Btw, didnt you do LL with guichet? If so, how are you today?

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Quote from: LLuser1 on February 06, 2016, 02:31:41 AMHanshi master of masters. You're right. Ruthless is the good word for describing these doctors who don't care about patients but about our money. They underplay risks just to get more customers. LL is a gamble. Most non cosmetic doctors and some cosmetic doctors (Guichet, for example) admit it. Some others don't and deceive you. Unfortunately patients are delusional and don't see the truth until they are in.

  Who are the doctors of europe and north america which you find ruthless (Besides Monegal)?

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Quote from: PatientZero on February 06, 2016, 02:40:23 AMAll of the doctors in Europe and USA are ruthless. If I read this thread before I went under the knife, I would've never done LL.

LL is a dangerous surgery, and all the doctors are dishonest salesmen. Not to mention they are usually bad people and switched from a honest career treating real trauma cases to making cold hard cash from our insecurities.

Final point: LL is the riskiest cosmetic surgery and doctors providing said services are almost always shady. Do not do LL.

 With who did you do LL? And why would this procedure (that is being regularly done on people with limb disperancies) be that much of a big deal? Yeah it is a big deal but every surgery is.