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Posted on May 17, 2021, 6:49 am
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penguinn's x-rays https://imgur.com/a/nYiru https://imgur.com/Tn2bn6O

most docs break the femurs much below

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 7:22 am
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here are some x-rays from US surgeons Dr M and Dr Paley

https://imgur.com/A4COg20

https://imgur.com/aYp9Brb

https://imgur.com/TqNLOlT

https://imgur.com/1WXNKZi

https://imgur.com/a/XXgTafU

https://i.imgur.com/nwR6ELIl.jpg

Where Dr Parihar has done the osteotomy is a very unusual place. What are the pros and cons of a more proximal osteotomy  vs a distal one?

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 7:25 am
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here are Dr Debiparshad's x-rays

https://i.imgur.com/9MiaaqR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tdrGcBT.jpg

again far more distal

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 9:40 am
#4

It doesn't matter

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 9:49 am
#5

At least according to Dr Birkholtz, proximal osteotomies are preferred by many surgeons because they tend to create more reliable bone formation.

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 10:36 am
#6

Check out this thread by Ascending http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64696.msg170208

He and Mr Ian Bararese-Hamilton believe that the nail doesn't respond to proximal osteotomies that well. Interestingly, even Penguinn's nail did not work after surgery and they had to change it.

There has got to be a reason why every surgeon in the US does more distal osteotomies. It's science, not opinions.

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 11:55 am
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Quote from: analyser on May 17, 2021, 10:36:39 AMCheck out this thread by Ascending http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64696.msg170208

He and Mr Ian Bararese-Hamilton believe that the nail doesn't respond to proximal osteotomies that well. Interestingly, even Penguinn's nail did not work after surgery and they had to change it.

There has got to be a reason why every surgeon in the US does more distal osteotomies. It's science, not opinions.


If proximal osteotomy was something the Precice nail would have issue with, then that's something the Nuvasive rep who was in the OR for Penguinn's surgery would have mentioned to Dr Parihar, but nothing was said. All devices have a likelihood of having a mechanical error, which is why faulty nails are covered at no cost to the patient. It's a stretch to belive a nail failed because of the osteotomy site as opposed to the mechanics of the nail itself.

Also, 3 surgeons =/= every doctor in the US, and even listing every doctor on this site wouldn't be a fraction of that, but there are many surgeons who prefer more proximal femur osteotomies

What exactly are you worried about regarding the area chosen for osteotomy anyway?

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 12:30 pm
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Quote from: KiloKAHN on May 17, 2021, 11:55:22 AMIf proximal osteotomy was something the Precice nail would have issue with, then that's something the Nuvasive rep who was in the OR for Penguinn's surgery would have mentioned to Dr Parihar, but nothing was said. All devices have a likelihood of having a mechanical error, which is why faulty nails are covered at no cost to the patient. It's a stretch to belive a nail failed because of the osteotomy site as opposed to the mechanics of the nail itself.

Also, 3 surgeons =/= every doctor in the US, and even listing every doctor on this site wouldn't be a fraction of that, but there are many surgeons who prefer more proximal femur osteotomies

What exactly are you worried about regarding the area chosen for osteotomy anyway?


No idea why Ellipse representative didn't say anything. Maybe this is a newly discovered problem?

The concern is really just that
a) the nail might not respond because the osteotomy is proximal. I don't have any official documentation stating this but only anecdotes
b) if it was decision taken because of lack of equipment in the OR

To quote Ascending about his surgeon

QuoteI suspect that the reason Dr E chose to do a high osteotomy in my case was because my femur was curved and he did not have a flexible drill to hand during the surgery and so he took whatever steps he could to continue the surgery.  I remember he told me after the surgery that it took 5 hours because he did not have a flexible drill for reaming which was needed because of femur curvature and so he had to go very slowly and carefully with the straight drill.


Then again, it's just strange that after going through 50 diaries I couldn't find one x-ray of such a proximal osteotomy. So I'm just looking for an explanation.

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 1:20 pm
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Quote from: KiloKAHN on May 17, 2021, 11:55:22 AMbut there are many surgeons who prefer more proximal femur osteotomies


Do you have a source for this?

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Posted on May 17, 2021, 2:10 pm
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Quote from: analyser on May 17, 2021, 06:49:56 AMpenguinn's x-rays https://imgur.com/a/nYiru https://imgur.com/Tn2bn6O

most docs break the femurs much below

You have a good eye. He performed an higher one. Giotikas too is used to do it sometimes.
Nuvasive recommends a lower osteotomy, some cms under the trochanter. Not a big deal anyway, but these are indications of the company.

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