just out of curiosity, not meaning to be rude, how much did you stretch per day? Those issues sound like they come from definitely not stretching enough during lengthening.
For reference, I have neglected hamstring stretches for some time and have had the exact same issue with knee extension on my right leg. Although I am now focusing a lot more on it and it already got much better. I also had extra PT sessions focusing on it and it was indeed very painful so I can confirm that.
about wide legs I had them pretty bad at 3-4cm but then ramped up the stretching even if it hurt a lot and now I am close to 7cm and I have 0 wide legs, my It band flexibility got much better so idk if it’s because I stretched the ITB itself or the TFL, it did work very well for me. My knees touch in resting position and when standing. I also don’t have the inward foot rotation thing anymore. Only the knee flexion on my right leg is still slightly there.
Anyways great to hear you finished your process and are happy with your results.
Great point. I went to físio daily and then when I got bad he came to my house twice a day. The problem is they never stretched me to elicit pain and never told me that was part of the process. They never had a specific goal in mind like 0 degree knee extension. When wide leg started around 5.5cm they never pushed to fix it, when stretching the IT Band became too painful they just stopped. I assumed wide leg was part of the process and would resolve itself later and I also assumed my IT band was cut. I later came to find out the IT band was not cut property or at all and I was not stretched to the proper pain points or told I have to suffer pain. I found out about the bad físio when I started the good físio here in Greece. And at around 8cm is when I found out the IT band was not cut and I gave up on more aggressive stretching with físio because I had a date in the future to cut it in Greece. So in the last two months before Greece, especially in the last month I suffered the effects of extreme wide leg and knee extension problems. The knee extension was not obvious since I wasn’t walking much and físio never told me. The knee extension is problem only happens with legs together and my legs were never together to even notice it since I had the wide leg. In the end it’s a series of poor IT band cutting, poor físio communication and subsequent stretching and my fault for not being more vigilant earlier in this process. I have had great improvement in Greece and I thank my body that it is capable of doing the stretching that was needed the whole time now that my it band is cut. The reason it is more painful is it is more extreme since it is now a lot of stretching that is being asked of my hamstrings and it band instead of it being a gradual process.
At the 6cm mark, 3 months after surgery, I also suffered a mild pulmonary embolism after being more stationary for two weeks after a muscle tear after a near fall and was in the hospital. Restating oral anticoagulants again cleared it up and I am
Healed 100% from that incident. I didn’t want to write about it, but here it is. We all know the potential consequences of an embolism to the lungs, I got lucky or G-D, take your choice.
Quote from: RealLostSoul on November 19, 2022, 02:22:14 PMjust out of curiosity, not meaning to be rude, how much did you stretch per day? Those issues sound like they come from definitely not stretching enough during lengthening.
For reference, I have neglected hamstring stretches for some time and have had the exact same issue with knee extension on my right leg. Although I am now focusing a lot more on it and it already got much better. I also had extra PT sessions focusing on it and it was indeed very painful so I can confirm that.
about wide legs I had them pretty bad at 3-4cm but then ramped up the stretching even if it hurt a lot and now I am close to 7cm and I have 0 wide legs, my It band flexibility got much better so idk if it’s because I stretched the ITB itself or the TFL, it did work very well for me. My knees touch in resting position and when standing. I also don’t have the inward foot rotation thing anymore. Only the knee flexion on my right leg is still slightly there.
Anyways great to hear you finished your process and are happy with your results.
Quote from: leonazul99 on November 19, 2022, 08:54:01 PMGreat point. I went to físio daily and then when I got bad he came to my house twice a day. The problem is they never stretched me to elicit pain and never told me that was part of the process. They never had a specific goal in mind like 0 degree knee extension. When wide leg started around 5.5cm they never pushed to fix it, when stretching the IT Band became too painful they just stopped. I assumed wide leg was part of the process and would resolve itself later and I also assumed my IT band was cut. I later came to find out the IT band was not cut property or at all and I was not stretched to the proper pain points or told I have to suffer pain. I found out about the bad físio when I started the good físio here in Greece. And at around 8cm is when I found out the IT band was not cut and I gave up on more aggressive stretching with físio because I had a date in the future to cut it in Greece. So in the last two months before Greece, especially in the last month I suffered the effects of extreme wide leg and knee extension problems. The knee extension was not obvious since I wasn’t walking much and físio never told me. The knee extension is problem only happens with legs together and my legs were never together to even notice it since I had the wide leg. In the end it’s a series of poor IT band cutting, poor físio communication and subsequent stretching and my fault for not being more vigilant earlier in this process. I have had great improvement in Greece and I thank my body that it is capable of doing the stretching that was needed the whole time now that my it band is cut. The reason it is more painful is it is more extreme since it is now a lot of stretching that is being asked of my hamstrings and it band instead of it being a gradual process.
At the 6cm mark, 3 months after surgery, I also suffered a mild pulmonary embolism after being more stationary for two weeks after a muscle tear after a near fall and was in the hospital. Restating oral anticoagulants again cleared it up and I am
Healed 100% from that incident. I didn’t want to write about it, but here it is. We all know the potential consequences of an embolism to the lungs, I got lucky or G-D, take your choice.
Man at least you are recovering now and are happy that is what counts.
Were you with Betz or with Becker (Mooswald or Elkes House)?
Because with Becker and the rehab center I was told a million times how we have to stretch 4h a day and push the tension so it hurts. I must say it really sucks and I hate it but it‘s the really only thing that fixes my gait and loosens me up + removes all pain. If I have a day where I can stretch less I immediately feel like garbage. Anyways you are right it‘s a gradual process. If you fall behind it sucks especially with the it band bc that‘s hardest to stretch. And then your range of motion is limited so the rest is harder to stretch too. I know. But at least now everything is good.
For the pulmonary embolism, was it unrelated to blood thinners or were you the guy who stopped xarelto too early against the doctors will?
It‘s very important to never stop xarelto before the end of lengthening.
Hey!.. ¿how long did you trip at germany last? I know betz would let you back to your country en 2-3 weeks
Wanted to give you guys an update. Big improvements after Dr G surgery and intensive physio. Wide leg is gone. Some knee extension issues remain but almost gone. I am left with issues with external rotation of the feet and an issue with my pelvis. My L pelvis is bent caudally on the L causing my R leg to be longer even though they were both measured to be the same again at a recent doctor's appt. Pelvic exercises are helping to get it even. It bands are still tight in general and have more stretching to go and R gluteus muscles are weak.
I stopped using wheelchairs a month ago. Can walk about 20 min with crutches and about 5 min without crutches. Inclines, broken roads, no issues, legs feel strong. Don't use crutches when indoors. Bone consolidation is excellent. Still taking daily calcium/vitamin d/magnesium. Working on my gait and transitioning to walking without crutches and continuing to stretch out the tight it bands and hamstrings. As measured by xray-9.6cm on the L and 10.0cm on the right. L leg was longer by 0.4 to preop. This puts me at 179-180cm (179.5cm?). I haven't measured because I still have the 1.5cm L/R difference due to pelvic tilt.
I was given 3 months of Xarelto which I took to the last tablet. Betz told me take it for 3 months not until you finish lengthening during the initial consult. Later Becker said until you finish lengthening after the PE. Dr. G along with some other surgeons only do prophylaxis for a month or so. There was no noncompliance on my part. Highest risk for PE is in the beginning when patients are less mobile. My PE happened after a mild muscle tear and I was more bedbound after the 3 month mark. I was told nothing but “keep stretching” at the time. I was at the cusp of the betz/becker transition and I don’t think it was handled very well.
Quote from: RealLostSoul on November 20, 2022, 01:16:44 AMMan at least you are recovering now and are happy that is what counts.
Were you with Betz or with Becker (Mooswald or Elkes House)?
Because with Becker and the rehab center I was told a million times how we have to stretch 4h a day and push the tension so it hurts. I must say it really sucks and I hate it but it‘s the really only thing that fixes my gait and loosens me up + removes all pain. If I have a day where I can stretch less I immediately feel like garbage. Anyways you are right it‘s a gradual process. If you fall behind it sucks especially with the it band bc that‘s hardest to stretch. And then your range of motion is limited so the rest is harder to stretch too. I know. But at least now everything is good.
For the pulmonary embolism, was it unrelated to blood thinners or were you the guy who stopped xarelto too early against the doctors will?
It‘s very important to never stop xarelto before the end of lengthening.
Quote from: Rockstarz5 on November 24, 2022, 03:42:26 AM Hey!.. ¿how long did you trip at germany last? I know betz would let you back to your country en 2-3 weeks
2 weeks and then one week vacation with girl in Munich/Austria.
Quote from: leonazul99 on December 24, 2022, 05:08:42 PMWanted to give you guys an update. Big improvements after Dr G surgery and intensive physio. Wide leg is gone. Some knee extension issues remain but almost gone. I am left with issues with external rotation of the feet and an issue with my pelvis. My L pelvis is bent caudally on the L causing my R leg to be longer even though they were both measured to be the same again at a recent doctor's appt. Pelvis exercises are helping to get it even. It band are still tight in general and have more stretching to go and R gluteus muscles are weak.
I stopped using wheelchairs a month ago. Can walk about 20 min with crutches and about 5 min without crutches. Inclines, broken roads, no issues, legs feel strong. Don't use crutches when indoors. Bone consolidation is excellent. Still taking daily calcium/vitamin d/magnesium. Working on my gait and transitioning to walking without crutches and continuing to stretch out the tight it bands and hamstrings. As measured by xray-9.6cm on the L and 10.0cm on the right. L leg was longer by 0.4 to preop. This puts me at 179-180cm (179.5cm?). I haven't measured because I still have the 1.5cm L/R difference due to pelvis tilt.
Hi leonazul99,
I am so happy to hear you're doing well.
If I understand correctly, your original doctors were Dr. Betz and Dr. Becker, and you had wide legs.
Why did you not fix the IT band at Dr. Betz/Becker? Why did you fly especially to Dr. G for the IT Band release?
Loss of trust given “soft release” which lasts until 6cm per Becker despite my chart saying I wanted ten, never hearing the name Becker before he walked into the OR with betz, still not sure who did my surgery, was not asked what I preferred, being charged for IT band cutting at initial surgery when others were not, poor communication with betz (ignored me, not one message), unclear history of Becker’s expertise as an orthopedic surgeon outside of recent LL training with Betz, only being offered 10 days (not nearly enough and at 160 euros a day) of físio after the proposed 2nd surgery instead of the 3 months I will have here. Wide legs, tight hamstring with resulting knee flexion, external rotation of feet and tilted pelvis. This is due to poor it band cutting and subsequent inadequately trained physio in Mexico. I read sirstretchalot’s diary where he flew to Dr. G for it band cutting after betz surgery. Don’t regret my decision for a minute.
Quote from: Infinite on December 24, 2022, 07:07:37 PMHi leonazul99,
I am so happy to hear you're doing well.
If I understand correctly, your original doctors were Dr. Betz and Dr. Becker, and you had wide legs.
Why did you not fix the IT band at Dr. Betz/Becker? Why did you fly especially to Dr. G for the IT Band release?
Quote from: leonazul99 on December 24, 2022, 07:17:34 PMLoss of trust given “soft release” which lasts until 6cm per Becker despite my chart saying I wanted ten, never hearing the name Becker before he walked into the OR with betz, still not sure who did my surgery, was not asked what I preferred, being charged for IT band cutting at initial surgery when others were not, poor communication with betz (ignored me, not one message), unclear history of Becker’s expertise as an orthopedic surgeon outside of recent LL training with Betz, only being offered 10 days (not nearly enough and at 160 euros a day) of físio after the proposed 2nd surgery instead of the 3 months I will have here. Wide legs, tight hamstring with resulting knee flexion, external rotation of feet and tilted pelvis. This is due to poor it band cutting and subsequent inadequately trained physio in Mexico. I read sirstretchalot’s diary where he flew to Dr. G for it band cutting after betz surgery. Don’t regret my decision for a minute.
I appreciate your informative response, leonazul99.
If I could get you back on time, would you still do the LL surgery at Betz/Becker or would you do the surgery with Dr. G the first time?
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