Quote from: Sigma on March 09, 2024, 12:08:48 PMNormal customers cannot know these. You proved that you are an employee of Giotikas. Instead of feeling sorry for the patient who passed away, you feel sorry for the Giotikas and call him unlucky. This was giotikas' fault, not the patient's. The dead cannot speak. Therefore, do not slander a dead person who cannot defend himself!Of course we should all go to Giotikas.Hmm..Hmmm 
:oOf course ;DSo ? Who cares ?Lmao ;DOk ;)Nope..Lie. Even butcher Dr Halil Buldu is better than Giotikas and has a success rate...Wrong. The truth is just the opposite. :-XSo ? Why doesn't he open a clinic in UK? Because the butcher doctor can't do thisOMG WOW...
I think these are enough? I'm tired of Dr Betz and Giotikas staff in this forum...
I hate company employees like you. betz- giotikas- AFA you are all the same... Keep defending giotikas. After all, you are his dog, you have to do this. But remember this. MAKING MONEY ON PEOPLE'S LIVES AND GIVING BAD DOCTOR ADVICE AND FANING A DOCTOR LIKE A FOOTBALL TEAM SHOWS THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE ..... I don't want to get banned so I won't say this 
I will ignore you from now on. bark as much as you want 
Giotikas is a butcher. Giotikas has many dead and disabled patients.
Sigma, thanks for sharing your concerns. I feel the need to push back on a few points you raised. For one thing, Marie_Bard is correct that Giotikas regularly treats complications for patients who had problems in Turkey (and sometimes Germany).
1). Here is a diary of someone I know personally. This gentleman is my friend. We met in Athens in 2019 when I did my first lengthening with Giotikas. I know him. The facts written are true. He was botched by a Turkish surgeon after he got surgery with the WannaBeTaller company. As you can see if you read the diary, he did travel to Greece after his botched operation and Giotikas helped him. Here is his diary-
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64740.02). Another diary is from an individual who had a poor experience with Becker in Germany (no IT band release) and then traveled to Giotikas to get it fixed. I DO NOT know this person. However, this diary also seems legitimate-http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=70992.0
3). As for the deceased patient, I was very concerned about this as well. So I also asked Giotikas about it during my consult with him in 2023, prior to my second surgery (Tibia TSF). The death occurred in 2021. Giotikas described the situation to me similar to what Marie-Bard wrote. He said any patient is welcome to ask him about this during a consult. Here is what he told me. I took notes because I always take notes during consults with doctors and lawyers, in case I need to review what they told me after the fact.
This was a male G-Nail patient. He was was fasting due to Ramadan, apparently. The death was due to a pulmonary embolism. The PE happened 2 months after the surgery, which is very rare. As soon as the PE started, emergency services in Athens arrived and took the patient to the ER. Within 20 minutes, patient was in ER and was resuscitated. So he survived the initial PE itself. However, he died a few days later in the intensive care unit.
As many here have mentioned (and I can attest to personally), Giotikas prescribes blood thinners (Xarelto) to weight-bearing patients for 3 weeks after surgery. When I did Stryde in 2019 and TSF Tibias in 2023, I was on blood thinner for 3 weeks after my surgery date (both times). Then I went off them and was given instructions to walk (with crutches) for 1 hour per day. For Precice patients, they take the Xarelto for the entire lengthening period. This was a G-Nail patient, so he was weight-bearing. He had been off the Xarelto by the time the PE occurred. I do not know if this particular patient was on blood thinners for 2 or 3 weeks post surgery. My experience in Greece was always 3 weeks of blood thinners for weight bearing patients. According to Giotikas, most studies say that the risk of PE is highest during 1st month after big orthopedic surgery. After that, risk of PE in weight bearing patients is so low, the risk of taking blood thinners outweighs the benefits. That is why he typically prescribes Xarelto to weight bearing patients for the first 3 weeks after surgery.
After the death, there were specialists/ investigators/ expert witnesses who looked into the death. Giotikas was found to be within the guidelines of the American Orthopedic Association/ clinical guidelines. The investigation determined that the reasons for the death were not related to the practice and all protocols were followed correctly.
For what it's worth, the family of the deceased patient did not end up suing the clinic. I am not saying this means Giotikas wasn't at fault. But it is worth mentioning.
If anybody knows more about the case, maybe we should start a separate thread on the forum and discuss it there. It would be good to get as many details about this as possible for patients to see and make an informed decision.
yeah I am not flexible but I am stretching right now to prepare for this I was actually scared to do this since I am a bodybuilder, but after talking to many patients like yourself I decided to do it finally I am done with people telling me you are too big for your height!
