When I say that even a German clinic charged me less, then even a German clinic charged me less, for Good's sake!
The prices shown here state 137.000 rubles for the surgery including everything plus 17.064 to 39.744 rubles for the stay in the hospital.
That's ~2.000 EUR for the surgery including everything plus ~325 EUR for a hospital stay in a single room that you actually don't even need.
Here is a photo of my bill from a German clinic where I had the same surgery:
You have to remove 172,94 EUR from my bill for a "Umstellungsosteotomie" where they re-cut my left leg and instead add 148,81 EUR for locking the nail in the left leg (which we didn't do back then) add the costs for 3 more screws (76,88 EUR; 2x 38,44 EUR) and add the costs for one additional frames removal (49,60 + 23,33 EUR).
In Germany, the prices for private patients are regulated by the GOÄ (google it up!) and you don't have to pay taxes for surgeries.
No insurance company involved.
So the costs for the second surgery (LON) in Germany are 1.691,36 EUR including general anesthesia for outpatients.
Now tell me that the Kulesh-price for the second LON step is not westernized and even overpriced.
Sometimes, I think, that many of you guys can't imagine how much money private/independent doctors are actually stealing from you.
Holy . Also the cost of living in Germany isn't extremely expensive. Can you post how much surgery, physical therapy and everything cost you?
Quote from: Chris on August 24, 2017, 01:45:15 PMWhen I say that even a German clinic charged me less, then even a German clinic charged me less, for Good's sake!
The prices shown here state 137.000 rubles for the surgery including everything plus 17.064 to 39.744 rubles for the stay in the hospital.
That's ~2.000 EUR for the surgery including everything plus ~325 EUR for a hospital stay in a single room that you actually don't even need.
Here is a photo of my bill from a German clinic where I had the same surgery:
You have to remove 172,94 EUR from my bill for a "Umstellungsosteotomie" where they re-cut my left leg and instead add 148,81 EUR for locking the nail in the left leg (which we didn't do back then) add the costs for 3 more screws (76,88 EUR; 2x 38,44 EUR) and add the costs for one additional frames removal (49,60 + 23,33 EUR).
In Germany, the prices for private patients are regulated by the GOÄ (google it up!) and you don't have to pay taxes for surgeries.
No insurance company involved.
So the costs for the second surgery (LON) in Germany are 1.691,36 EUR including general anesthesia for outpatients.
Now tell me that the Kulesh-price for the second LON step is not westernized and even overpriced.
Sometimes, I think, that many of you guys can't imagine how much money private/independent doctors are actually stealing from you.
You get these prices because you are in a medical need. You have messed up legs that needs to be fixed. It is not a cosmetic surgery. They're saving your legs so you are treated on the same terms as someone who got hit by a car etc. Also that clinic would never operate your healthy legs with those prices.
Quote from: doomsday on August 24, 2017, 06:40:37 PM
You get these prices because you are in a medical need. You have messed up legs that needs to be fixed. It is not a cosmetic surgery. They're saving your legs so you are treated on the same terms as someone who got hit by a car etc. Also that clinic would never operate your healthy legs with those prices.
No, there are only prices for people with state health insurance, and prices for people with private health insurance which are the same as for people without health insurance (regulated by the GOÄ). If you have had a surgery outside of Germany, you will always have to pay everything which is related to it yourself. That's the law.
If you're not in a medical need, it's up to the community hospitals whether they want to operate on you or not (facelift, liposuction, LL). Prices: GOÄ
Edit: Oh, and everyone loves patients with private health insurance (or without insurance at all), because the prices are higher and there are also no fixed rates which they sometimes only get from state health insurance companies.
Quote from: Chris on August 24, 2017, 06:57:59 PMNo, there are only prices for people with state health insurance, and prices for people with private health insurance which are the same as for people without health insurance (regulated by the GOÄ). If you have had a surgery outside of Germany, you will always have to pay everything which is related to it yourself. That's the law.
If you're not in a medical need, it's up to the community hospitals whether they want to operate on you or not (facelift, liposuction, LL). Prices: GOÄ
Edit: Oh, and everyone loves patients with private health insurance (or without insurance at all), because the prices are higher and there are also no fixed rates which they sometimes only get from state health insurance companies.
If that's so, how come Betz or even Salameh who both operate in Germany charge as much they do? Isn't that illegal basically?
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on August 24, 2017, 07:21:31 PMIf that's so, how come Betz or even Salameh who both operate in Germany charge as much they do? Isn't that illegal basically?
I don't think that Dr. Betz does anything illegal.
He is bound to the GOÄ like everyone else.
The most expensive things in Germany are staying in the hospital, physiotherapy and medication.
Intensive care alone can cost you >1.000 EUR per day.
A regular stay in a hospital is 400-500 EUR per night and Dr. Betz wants you to stay for two weeks.
And then there is Betzbone. Prices for equipment are not regulated (as far as I know), so if it "just happens" to be expensive, the price is what it is.
And we all know that the production-cost to retail-price ratio for internal nails is like Apple products.
But the surgery itself shouldn't be that expensive at all compared to the rest.
The thing about being in a first world country is that you can probably take care of the frame removal at home instead of going back.
Can I go to a municipal clinic if I am a foreigner instead of private?
Quote from: Hamiltonzac on August 31, 2018, 11:17:33 AMCan I go to a municipal clinic if I am a foreigner instead of private?
Yes, you can. I've done so myself.
Quote from: Android on August 31, 2018, 08:09:12 PMYes, you can. I've done so myself.
Hi android, Then the surgeries, how much cheaper was it for you? I am doing cross lengthening so how much would that be roughly speaking? wow, I am really happy about this, private costs so much more.
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