Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on December 12, 2013, 08:05:41 PMHere's a quote from someone who claimed to be one of his patients:
He did put a whole lot of pins through the legs for extra stability, because he emphasized a lot of physical activity and PT with the frames on. He made you exercise and stretch even if you were in pain. Everyone knew that going into the surgery though, at least they should have if they'd done their research and compared him to other doctors.
I'm not sure what to make of this bone growth/osteotomy cut complaint. Several patients in Beijing had bad bone growth, a clinic with a proven track record and the most LL cases in the world. That doctor in London who believes the osteotomy cut was bad was probably not an LL expert either. If he thought there were too many pins, why didin't he remove the extras?
Like Dr. Sarin today, a lot of Dr. Elbarwary patients were banned form posting on old forum and diaries got deleted. old forum Admin tried to find fault with things that weren't problems and ended up deleting the arguments he'd lost so he wouldn't look bad. Like I said, history is repeating with Dr. Sarin.
Did you mean old forum deleted his diary but from where did you find this quote?
It's not from a diary, it's from an old PM.
UPDATE
He now offers internal femurs with PRECICE 2 for:
- 48k USD in Cairo, Egypt
- 53k USD in Cyprus or Turkey
- 58k USD in Italy
The above prices include operation, hospitalization fees and follow up, but don't include accomodation and food.
Here's a video of one of Dr. Yasser Elbatrawy's patients running with his frames on.
Short person support:
Dr. Elbatrawy's service is very popular because of good results and low costs. Six people contacted Short Persons Support and reported good to excellent results following surgery by Dr. Elbatrawy. Five of them report that the procedure was performed in an operating theatre with modern medical equipment and that staff are friendly and helpful. The fifth patient reported that the medical staff is terrible, the facility old and run down and pain management is inadequate.
Short person support: Surgeon Reviews Discontinued
It has come to our attention that some Leg Lengthening surgeons in developing countries have encouraged their patients to write positive reviews to be submitted to Short Persons Support. This is done while patients are still being cared for. Patients have reported that they feel pressured to do so, in order to receive proper care. To reduce this burden on patients, who are undergoing severe physical rehabilitation, we have decided to permanently discontinue posting reviews about leg lengthening surgeons.
With the use of IP analysis tools, we have also found that some doctors have written positive reviews for themselves or negative reviews about their competitors. These reviews have not been posted.
It is truly shameful that such professionals, who have dedicated so much time and effort to excel in their field, and who should have earned our utmost respect and admiration, have sunk so low.
Today I've read this and it’s possible that this may apply to Dr. Elbatrawy.
I do wonder if Dr Elbatrawy was actually a bad surgeon or if the bad review was from a patient who went into lengthening without realizing what exactly that entailed - I only recall one review of him on old forum back in the day. Been looking around for any more reviews of him but can't find any. His credentials were certainly impressive, but then maybe it shows that credentials don't make a good doctor? Because the hubbub was so long ago I can't remember if the criticism on old forum was based on valid points or if it was a vendetta that the site owner had against him.
Edit: Just got a reply from him. He's still doing CLL and does internal femurs now. This is interesting.
Fascinating! If you get the chance, I'd love to here about the details regarding the internal femur options he has available.
Quote from: Tall on May 05, 2014, 10:19:38 PMFascinating! If you get the chance, I'd love to here about the details regarding the internal femur options he has available.
I responded asking for the details. I'll post his response once I receive it.
Most of the videos I found of Dr Elbatrawy online were entirely in Arabic but I found one in English. Like MDOW said, you can see that he puts a lot of pins through the legs.
I found bad review of this doctor on yahoo.
http://voices.yahoo.com/visit-dr-yasser-elbatrawy-egypt-5678688.html?cat=69
Visit to Dr Yasser Elbatrawy in Egypt
This article is not meant to be something based on my opinion; it's not to promote or effect his reputation in any way. The purpose of this is to inform readers of my appointment with Dr Yasser Elbatrawy in Egypt and the events that took place, so everyone looking to do a leg lengthening surgery in Egypt can use this as a guide and know what to expect.
Leg lengthening is a cosmetic surgery done to increase bone length, therefore, increasing your height permanently. The surgery is very expensive so most people consider going to places like China, Russia, Syria, Egypt etc; where they are performed at a much reasonable price and also the cost of living during recovery time is less compared to many western countries. Dr Yasser Elbatrawy has his clinic in Cairo, Egypt, who charges close to $20,000 to $25,000 USD per surgery including the accommodation up to 6 month; whereas, the same surgery in US is performed for 70,000 to 90,000 USD per surgery, accommodation not included. To save money many people chose to go outside US to accomplish their goal of increasing their height.
I discussed some practical and tested ways to increase height in this article, and the reason I chose to pursue leg lengthening is because it's the most effective and permanent method.
I talked to Dr Yasser Elbatrawy close to 6 or 8 months prior going to Egypt; also spoke to his patients that had done surgery from him and were in the process of recovery. Being satisfied with the doctor, I arranged a date for consultation so I can get to know the doctor personally and meet his patients; the doctor wanted me to transfer him the money before coming to Egypt but I didn't want to take that risk. I contacted a transfer agency took the cheapest flight and was on my way to Egypt.
When I arrived in Egypt, I had to buy a visa which cost $15 US from a bank that was located right on the airport; it was no hassle, got my luggage and was on my way out. I took an airport cab, since they are very reliable, shared it with another passenger so cost me around 30 Egyptian pounds, approximately 5 US dollars. I stayed in Marriott in the city star for 1 night but since it was very expensive I moved to Sun Smile hotel which was very nice and cozy at a very reasonable price, and considerably close to the doctor's clinic.
I had an appointment with the doctor at 6 pm so I asked the hotel manager, who spoke good English to translate the address for me into Arabic, since most people only spoke Arabic. While in Egypt taking a cab (aka Taxi) is the best way to travel they are very cheap and efficient, just make sure to take the white taxi because they have a meter which prevents you from being cheated. So I took the cab to the doctor's clinic, the building was not very modern and the clinic was located on the second floor. One thing I highly recommend is taking a unlocked cell phone with you, it's very cheap to buy a sim card in Egypt, add a small amount of balance which will last you a very long time. I stayed with constant in touch with the doctor through text messaging which made things a little easier in a foreign country. I got to the clinic on time, it was hard to communicate since the secretary didn't speak good English but I managed, she took $600 USD from me right away and made me fill out a form; after that I was told to wait in the waiting room.
I waited for 1.5 hours, having a cell phone really helped but I was still frustrated cause while text messaging he emphasized coming at 6 pm so much. Anyways, after a long wait I was asked to go into the doctor's room, he was sitting there with another doctor or intern, he greeted me in a proud manner and I took my seat. Dr Yasser Elbatrawy told me to ask him whatever I liked, I had some Questions on my mind, and I was rudely told that those answers could be found online, which made me wonder then why did he want me to come all the way to Egypt if I was suppose to get answers online. Anyways, I still emphasized I would like to hear the answer from him, and his tone became very annoying and frustrated, and he answered very few questions in a rude fashion. I can't remember all the Questions but one of the Question, was are there any complications that could occur from the operation and he told me that he had seen people dying from general anesthetic but none of his patients had any complications. He had hearing problem and I had to scream but still he could not understand, although his English was good. After asking several times how much can I increase my height, he asked me to lie down on the bed in his office and checked my legs and knees, and showed me how the device would fit on it, he told me that I would have no complications and it would be able to walk in 6 months.
The whole consutation was not very long, and being very unsatisfied, I told him I wanted to consult other doctors as well, to which he tried to persuade me that he is the best in the field and no other is better and showed me his device which he told me was obtained from US, feeling pressured into the surgery I asked him if I could meet with his patients, and he told me to wait, the patient accommodation was very close but he wouldn't allow me to go alone.
I had to wait for a while in the waiting room again, till a young gentleman appeared who took me to this apartment just behind the clinic, the building wasn't very nice had a very small elevator, very far from the western standards. The apartment had a very pretty young lady nurse who was the care taker for the two patients who had their own room, the room size were decent, the apartment from inside was very neat and clean. I met with the patients, it really scared me what they had put themselves through to increase their height, the device was placed nicely on the legs, there were rods going through flesh attached to the bone and they still had bandages. One patient seemed to be in a lot of pain and could not walk properly at all, he had been there for close to 5 months; while the other patients who had been there for 6 month was not experiencing so much pain but still was not able to walk well without support. I was shocked to see that they had to walk in pain to the doctors' clinic and fight their way through stairs and other difficulties. I was told that the whole operation would take around 6 months with recovery time but these patients were nowhere close to being done, and from what I saw they weren't taken proper care by the doctor. I followed them while they slowly walked to the clinic and then I said my good bye to the patients and went back to the hotel.
I had a nice dinner from room service, food was very cheap when compared to US, and booked my flight back. I asked the hotel management to call airport cab and had paid close to 15 USD and was on my way back. I decided not to do leg lengthening due to the pain and cost so I left Egypt earlier than expected.
Ah, I remember that review in particular. It's food for thought, though just based on that review I wouldn't entirely discredit the doctor. I might not be remembering other reports about his practice though.
I sent him an e-mail asking about what internal method he offers and his thoughts on the knee problem issue with LON/LATN/internal tibias and this was his reply.
"Yes, Precise 2. I do in my center in Cyprus as it is not available yet outside USA and Europe.
You are right about pain after tibial nailing, however, my master degree was about that and I personally do not split the patellar tendon at all to introduce the nail to avoid this chronic pain problem. I remove it laterally using a special tool till I introduce the nail then return it again to its place. Generally, I like more external for tibia while more internal for Femoral bone."
Edit:
Here's his reply about cost for Precice 2.
"35000 Euro. This is the lowest cost in the world. It include 3 months of Accomodation till finishing the lengthening. In the lowest cost center in USA, it is 80 thousands of US $ without Accomodation or care ! This price will be only till end of this year because Precise 2 is very new now. Will not be less than 42000 euro later on."
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