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Posted on Feb 23, 2021, 6:16 am
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Quote from: chasing_higher_dream on February 22, 2021, 02:43:15 PM@ ghkid2021: The surgery costs around €53,000 for femur lengthening (for taking out rods after 1 or 2 years you would have to pay extra € 6,700).

@ Limbfan2020:  We did had a talk regarding Stryde, but Dr. Betz showed great confidence in Betzbone. Also he said in recent years, he has greatly improved the quality of his nail, thus there are no bending issues anymore with Betzbone. Also, Stryde with him would cost more (I do not know the exact amount). Hence, I decided to go ahead with Betzbone nail.

Thanks for the well wishes.

Tnx and good luck I recommend stretching the hamstring leik crazy for these upcoming months

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Posted on Feb 23, 2021, 1:26 pm
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double post sorry

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Posted on Feb 23, 2021, 1:28 pm
#13

Quote from: chasing_higher_dream on February 14, 2021, 08:18:19 PMHello everyone  Femur lengthening with Dr. Betz - 2021

    I would like to contribute to this forum by sharing my journey of limb lengthening.
   
    Starting height: 170 cm
    Desired increase: 10 cm
    Desired final height: 180 cm
    Wingspan: 174 cm
    Tibia to femur percentage: 86%
    Gender: Male
    Age: 29 years
    Weight: 75 kg
   


    I had an initial consultation with Dr. Betz around start of Feb 2021 (Consultation cost is 500‎€). We had a 4 to 5 hour thorough conversation about the procedure and regarding all of its technicalities. Dr. Betz was very patient and explained all of the questions very diligently. Overall I had a positive impression of Dr. Betz. At the end of the conversation, I decided that I would go for femur lengthening since my tibia to femur ratio (0.86) is more than the average. Also, Dr Betz said that he would most likely use 11mm Betzbone nail for me. I am planning to have the surgery in May 2021. Since I have roughly around 2 months, I have started with daily 30 minutes of stretching.

    I will update this diary whenever I have made some progress. Also do share your thoughts/ideas if any, if you would like to share with me  Femur lengthening with Dr. Betz - 2021

    Thank you.


Hi, best of luck!

Did you get to see the place where most people stay after the clinic (I guess it's called the residential center)? Is it good enough?

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Posted on Mar 11, 2021, 9:44 am
#14

Just an update:

After thorough consideration, I have decided to reduce my lengthening goal to 8 cm, since I would prefer function over length. After lengthening 8 cm, I would stand at 178 cm which I guess is a pinch below average in Germany but I would be more than happy with this height. This decision has been made after talking to previous patients from Dr. Betz on this forum.

Also, I am regularly doing all the stretches to prepare myself for the surgery. Very much excited for the upcoming surgery day on the 3rd of May.

@ pownzorgeek: No I did not get to see the clinic due to corona restrictions.

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Posted on Mar 13, 2021, 4:05 am
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Wow. Did I read that right? 4-5 hour long consultation? That's crazy long! I can't believe he gave you that much time. Did you have a lot to talk about or lots of questions? Or did you get the sense that was the norm? Most doctor's consults are 20-30 min max.  Congrats on making a commitment and good luck when your day comes!

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Posted on Mar 13, 2021, 10:01 pm
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@maximize Yes, my consultation started at 3 pm and it lasted till 7.30 pm. I presume this much amount of time is normal with his consultation.

During this consultation below points were covered:
- X-rays were taken
- Height and wingspan were measured
- With help of software simulation images were shown how I would like at 4 cm, 6 cm, 8 cm, and 10 cm lengthening.
- Explanation of how the femur and tibia bone looks like along with the surrounding tissues.
- Explanation of how my bone looks in X-rays and also the ratio between tibia and femur.
- Explanation of femur vs tibia lengthening
- Different nails in the market and the differences between them (of course Dr. Betz was showing great confidence in Betzbone). According to Dr. Betz, the only competitor he sees to Betzbone nail is Stryde. He also said that Betzbone has a very high resistance to rusting and he did not have any case of rusting on his nails till now.
- Size of the nail which would be suitable for my bones. Dr. Betz said he does not like to ream the bone canal too much with bigger diameters.
- Short overview of how the surgery would look like on the femur.
- Stories from his past patients who lengthened 7 cm, 8 cm, 10 cm, and one guy even lengthened 12 cm (the max you can go with Betzbone)!!! He did say that he does not recommend lengthening to this amount and he recommends his patients to stay under 8 cm. Max 10 cm.
- Gist of how the lengthening phase would look like. He said he is available for all his patients via Whatsapp whenever possible.
- I also asked Dr. Betz whether he does IT band release? And he said he does not do IT band release. When I asked him the reason for not doing it, it was along the lines that it may cause problems in long run. He said that with proper PT, the IT band should stretch over the period of months, though this make take a considerable amount of time.
- And lastly, all the complications which may occur and all the preemptive measures he takes to prevent them.

We may have discussed more, but right now I do not recall everything.
At the end of the consultation, I was almost out of questions but Dr. Betz was like take your time and think if you want to ask something more.
But finally, I decided that this was all I had to ask, I thanked him, and then exited his clinic.

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Posted on Mar 13, 2021, 10:29 pm
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Quote from: chasing_higher_dream on March 13, 2021, 10:01:58 PM@maximize Yes, my consultation started at 3 pm and it lasted till 7.30 pm.

During this consultation below points were covered:
- X-rays were taken
- Height and wingspan were measured
- With help of software simulation images were shown how I would like at 4 cm, 6 cm, 8 cm, and 10 cm lengthening.
- Explanation of how the femur and tibia bone looks like along with the surrounding tissues.
- Explanation of how my bone looks in X-rays and also the ratio between tibia and femur.
- Explanation of femur vs tibia lengthening
- Different nails in the market and the differences between them (of course Dr. Betz was showing great confidence in Betzbone). According to Dr. Betz, the only competitor he sees to Betzbone nail is Stryde. He also said that Betzbone has a very high resistance to rusting and he did not have any case of rusting on his nails till now.
- Size of the nail which would be suitable for my bones. Dr. Betz said he does not like to ream the bone canal too much with bigger diameters.
- Short overview of how the surgery would look like on the femur.
- Stories from his past patients who lengthened 7 cm, 8 cm, 10 cm, and one guy even lengthened 12 cm (the max you can go with Betzbone)!!! He did say that he does not recommend lengthening to this amount and he recommends his patients to stay under 8 cm. Max 10 cm.
- Gist of how the lengthening phase would look like. He said he is available for all his patients via Whatsapp whenever possible.
- I also asked Dr. Betz whether he does IT band release? And he said he does not do IT band release. When I asked him the reason for not doing it, it was along the lines that it may cause problems in long run. He said that with proper PT, the IT band should stretch over the period of months, though this make take a considerable amount of time.
- And lastly, all the complications which may occur and all the preemptive measures he takes to prevent them.

We may have discussed more, but right now I do not recall everything.
At the end of the consultation, I was almost out of questions but Dr. Betz was like take your time and think if you want to ask something more.
But finally, I decided that this was all I had to ask, I thanked him, and then exited his clinic.

Wish you good luck on your journey.
Your in good hands. Betz is one of the best out there.

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Posted on Mar 13, 2021, 11:42 pm
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Quote from: chasing_higher_dream on March 13, 2021, 10:01:58 PM@maximize Yes, my consultation started at 3 pm and it lasted till 7.30 pm. I presume this much amount of time is normal with his consultation.

During this consultation below points were covered:
- X-rays were taken
- Height and wingspan were measured
- With help of software simulation images were shown how I would like at 4 cm, 6 cm, 8 cm, and 10 cm lengthening.
- Explanation of how the femur and tibia bone looks like along with the surrounding tissues.
- Explanation of how my bone looks in X-rays and also the ratio between tibia and femur.
- Explanation of femur vs tibia lengthening
- Different nails in the market and the differences between them (of course Dr. Betz was showing great confidence in Betzbone). According to Dr. Betz, the only competitor he sees to Betzbone nail is Stryde. He also said that Betzbone has a very high resistance to rusting and he did not have any case of rusting on his nails till now.
- Size of the nail which would be suitable for my bones. Dr. Betz said he does not like to ream the bone canal too much with bigger diameters.
- Short overview of how the surgery would look like on the femur.
- Stories from his past patients who lengthened 7 cm, 8 cm, 10 cm, and one guy even lengthened 12 cm (the max you can go with Betzbone)!!! He did say that he does not recommend lengthening to this amount and he recommends his patients to stay under 8 cm. Max 10 cm.
- Gist of how the lengthening phase would look like. He said he is available for all his patients via Whatsapp whenever possible.
- I also asked Dr. Betz whether he does IT band release? And he said he does not do IT band release. When I asked him the reason for not doing it, it was along the lines that it may cause problems in long run. He said that with proper PT, the IT band should stretch over the period of months, though this make take a considerable amount of time.
- And lastly, all the complications which may occur and all the preemptive measures he takes to prevent them.

We may have discussed more, but right now I do not recall everything.
At the end of the consultation, I was almost out of questions but Dr. Betz was like take your time and think if you want to ask something more.
But finally, I decided that this was all I had to ask, I thanked him, and then exited his clinic.

Wow that is really great that he is so thorough with you. And thanks for the long answer. I think I would really like a consult with him, if nothing else just to pick his brain. I personally agree with him 100% about IT band releases and not reaming too much. If you ream too aggressively you will weaken the bone. And I have always been leery about unnecessary soft tissue releases. I agree everything should stretch over time.

I just read through some of the negative threads about Betz and most of them seem to be about nonunions. I summarized my perspective here:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=66343.msg190462#msg190462

In short, we know there is a risk with ratcheting nails like Betz/Guichet's, because they cannot close down if you open them too quickly. But as I see it, this risk should be controllable just by going slower with careful xray monitoring to ensure callus is forming or bridging is maintained in the gap. As long as you always see that there should be no significant risk.

Did you get to talk to Betz about how he tries to avoid nonunion or what he aims for in terms of x-ray monitoring through the distraction phase? ie. How often x-rays? What is he looking for? How much of a gap is he comfortable with when there is no visible callus? etc.

If not, I expect you will have to review that either way before you go home and I'd appreciate you letting us know what he says. Thanks again.

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Posted on Mar 14, 2021, 12:32 am
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Quote from: maximize on March 13, 2021, 04:05:37 AMWow. Did I read that right? 4-5 hour long consultation? That's crazy long! I can't believe he gave you that much time. Did you have a lot to talk about or lots of questions? Or did you get the sense that was the norm? Most doctor's consults are 20-30 min max.  Congrats on making a commitment and good luck when your day comes!

My virtual consult with Paley was also about 1 and a half hours long or so. I could ask everything that came to my mind and from the notes, I have taken beforehand. I am surprised how you could go on for 5 hours, even if they do measurements and stuff.
@chasing_higher_dream what did he say when measuring the wingspan. What was his opinion on arm-length proportions? Paley told me 99% of people don't do arm lengthening and most people don't even need it since it is a problem primarily with how you view yourself.

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Posted on Mar 14, 2021, 5:43 am
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I can also confirm that this seems a typical length for a Betz consultation. My consult went for roughly 3-4 hours. I think it is just the thoroughness and different style of Betz that causes it to be this long.

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