Femurs & Tibias with Dr Paley

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Quote from: consideringheavily on October 17, 2018, 10:25:17 PMMrEvolution,

We have the same height and body weight. I am heavily considering to do this procedure as well.
I work as a software engineer, so working remotely wouldn't be a problem for me either! 


My apologies for the bombardment of questions, but I feel this would help us better understand your experience and possibly influence our decision as well!


What was your total cost for this procedure excluding rooming,food, etc?

Did Paley mention about being able to lift weights after a certain period of time?

Why did he do the femur first and not the tibia? Was this your preference?

What about running?

What warnings did Paley give you about doing this procedure? Especially considering you aspire to go 13 cm in additional length.

What are the long term consequences? Can the bones potentially break at some point? Suppose 3 years down the line you were jogging and made a huge jump... is that a risk?

UPDATES:
Been slightly MIA for a while, ive been working full time + focusing on recovery alot, things are going well but I figured id update the community since i remember being on the opposite side of this

I’m gonna try to answer as many questions aa possible

Total cost: $97,500 (Surgery cost, 10,000 is paid as a deposit to secure surgery date & the remaining $87,500 is dud 2 weeks pre surgery. I recommend paying this asap as my bank took almost 2 weeks to send it!)

A member from this community PM’ed me so we can do this together; that being said lodging is split by 50%
I got a suit at HomeWood suites for $84/night (USD) using PALEY discount. This includes daily tranfer to & from Paley hospital for physio
Breakfast buffet everyday (includes eggs, waffles, pankcakes etc)
Light dinner (includes small dinner items, havnt tried it yet we r moving in on friday, to be updated)
Pool access
Gym access (small hotel gym)
Total: $6600 USD roughly 2 months (oct22-dec29)
Split by 2 so I paid $3300

Pain Killers
I paid $90 so far on painkillers (tremadol which im out of & oxy which i dont use but have a supply  of); i’m off painkillers atm just using tylenol pm

That covers most of the financials


I havnt asked about lifting weights yet

NAIL - I have a 13 size nail, said it was biggest one, they used it cause it fit. That was the rational

Femurs 1st then Tibias
- i didnt do them at same time because doing so limits total length gained (cant do 14cm as body cant properly tolerate that without loss of function
- Femurs first to max 8cm, then tibs to max 6cm
- maybe coulda done tibias first but femurs are more gaurnteed to get 8cm without loss of function as it seems like everyone has successfully done it.
6cm in tibias is a good case scenario but definately doable without loss of functions so im gonna stick to
8+6cm for 14cm

The new bone generated from surgery after consolodation is no different than the bone in the rest of your leg. It is just as strong & will not suddenly break. I asked this as well,

At this point ive regained a lot of flexibility in the motion of knee bending & movement but not at 100% yet

Lmk what other updates yall want

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How much did aou lengthen so far? And please, please post a video of your walking

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Hi MyEvolution, thanks for your update and for answering the question about the nail size.

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Quote from: MyEvolution on October 20, 2018, 05:57:11 AMUPDATES:
Been slightly MIA for a while, ive been working full time + focusing on recovery alot, things are going well but I figured id update the community since i remember being on the opposite side of this

I’m gonna try to answer as many questions aa possible

Total cost: $97,500 (Surgery cost, 10,000 is paid as a deposit to secure surgery date & the remaining $87,500 is dud 2 weeks pre surgery. I recommend paying this asap as my bank took almost 2 weeks to send it!)

A member from this community PM’ed me so we can do this together; that being said lodging is split by 50%
I got a suit at HomeWood suites for $84/night (USD) using PALEY discount. This includes daily tranfer to & from Paley hospital for physio
Breakfast buffet everyday (includes eggs, waffles, pankcakes etc)
Light dinner (includes small dinner items, havnt tried it yet we r moving in on friday, to be updated)
Pool access
Gym access (small hotel gym)
Total: $6600 USD roughly 2 months (oct22-dec29)
Split by 2 so I paid $3300

Pain Killers
I paid $90 so far on painkillers (tremadol which im out of & oxy which i dont use but have a supply  of); i’m off painkillers atm just using tylenol pm

That covers most of the financials


I havnt asked about lifting weights yet

NAIL - I have a 13 size nail, said it was biggest one, they used it cause it fit. That was the rational

Femurs 1st then Tibias
- i didnt do them at same time because doing so limits total length gained (cant do 14cm as body cant properly tolerate that without loss of function
- Femurs first to max 8cm, then tibs to max 6cm
- maybe coulda done tibias first but femurs are more gaurnteed to get 8cm without loss of function as it seems like everyone has successfully done it.
6cm in tibias is a good case scenario but definately doable without loss of functions so im gonna stick to
8+6cm for 14cm

The new bone generated from surgery after consolodation is no different than the bone in the rest of your leg. It is just as strong & will not suddenly break. I asked this as well,

At this point ive regained a lot of flexibility in the motion of knee bending & movement but not at 100% yet

Lmk what other updates yall want


This is an amazing response. Thank you!

I have some more questions (if you don't mind)

**Since you're doing the procedure again for tibs, would it also cost an additional $97,500?

**That's a relief with the bone! Now what about the muscle? Your legs will have grown by 8cm -> soon to be 14 cm. Wouldn't this stretch out? Wouldn't this affect your joints etc? What did Paley say about this?

**How will your proportions work in the future knowing that you are doing a 14 cm increase? Does Paley warn you against looking potentially a bit odd with long legs and shorter arms?

**If you ever have time to ask Paley about the lifting weights thing that'd be great.

**How does growth work? Do you you grow "x" amount of mm per day? When do you stop growing.

Again thank you. Your diary is amazing.

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can we please see video of your walk now!
Thank you

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UPDATES along with some questions answers:
- it’s been exactly 31 days since my surgery! At this point ive lengthened almost 2cm i believe. We lengthen 1mm/day, started lengthening october1st (Maybe im past2cm i havnt actually measured yet)
-I have transitioned to a Cane 2 days ago so i’m off crutches!! My walk is improving very well will post a video soon for yall along with Xrays
- I can also FINALLY sleep on my sides again!! This has dramatically improved my sleeping & now I feel like my quality of life is pretty much back to normal/good
- my personal weakness is in my right hip, it’s much weaker than my left for some reason. Once that’s back to normal strength my walk will be normal again

Notes:
- when you come do this surgery don’t think of it as a 3 month sacrafice, think of it as 1 month honestly. Cause the first week was easy, second week was an absolute hell nighmare, end of 3rd week got easier & by the 4th week I have no more real pain!

Some answers:
- i havnt measured my wingspan (not sure how) but my friend who’s 5’9.5 has only half an inch more of reach than me & i’m 5’5 now so when I lengthen to 14-16cm I think i’ll be fine proportions wise
- you cant lift weights until bone fully consolidate
-Yes your muscles & nerves & everything stretch but that’s why we are required to stretch 3-4times daily for 45mins-1hr each

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Have you done IT release survey?

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Yes, Paley now automatically always does an IT band release.

Okay SO.. i’m beginning to plan for my part2 surgery. I feel like at this point the lengthening process is super easy (besides the nuiance of stretching everyday but nbd)

I am currently looking for another person who is looking to do their surgery so we can do it at the same time. I will most likely be able to find a cheap caretaker for the both of us + we can split the Homewood suite rate which should be around $84/night.

If you are looking to do your surgery sometime between April-August LMK or PM me as im looking for a partner. I have a good amount of experience so at this time around I know what to expect. I’ll be 25 so hopefully someone around my age range but doesn’t 100% matter

By next Saturday I will be 50% done femurs!!
Lets goooo

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Hi my friend,

You sound incredible excited, and looks like the lengthened does not impact your lifestyle negatively.

Are you able to share a video of your walking?

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Thanks. But ain't there any complications arising out of this IT band release. I also read recently that Betz did not do the surgery in the diary "reaching new heights with Betz 2018" and he streched his IT band without IT band release surgery, so why go for IT band release surgery initially itself, when it may not be needed at all.

If you could get inputs from Paley regarding :
https://www.regenexx.com/blog/research/itb-release-surgery---what-orthopedic-surgeons-wont-tell-you/

Then it would be great.


Thanks again..