GNail with Giotikas 5 Weeks in Athens

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Quote from: two on November 09, 2021, 11:54:08 AMInspite of the recent incident if Dr Giotikas doesn't want to give xeralto then don't you think it's in the best interest of his patients?

Then it means he is not a good doc. Paley and literally everyone is the US give xeralto for the whole lengthening period. Assayag even injects some blood thinner into your stomach right after the surgery [source: raaz diary]. I guess it's a bigger issue for a doc if a patient dies in the US than in EU.

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Quote from: overandover on November 09, 2021, 12:34:08 PMThen it means he is not a good doc. Paley and literally everyone is the US give xeralto for the whole lengthening period. Assayag even injects some blood thinner into your stomach right after the surgery [source: raaz diary]. I guess it's a bigger issue for a doc if a patient dies in the US than in EU.

Well if he hasn't been giving blood thinners beyond 2 weeks for his patients all this while what do you make of that?

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Quote from: two on November 09, 2021, 01:20:31 PMWell if he hasn't been giving blood thinners beyond 2 weeks for his patients all this while what do you make of that?

Every doc thinks differently in terms of risk management. Blood thinners can cause liver issues and blood in your pee and stuff like that. It's not black and white. I'll still try to get blood thinners for the whole lengthening period otherwise will move back to my country and will get them here. In my current country, you can get asprin from amazon without any prescription or anything or I can just go to a doc here and ask for Xarelto. Other option is to consult with a vascular surgeon in giotikas hospital if giotikas won't give it then maybe they will. If you really want to get it you can get it I don't think giotikas can stop you from getting blood thinners.

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Quote from: overandover on November 09, 2021, 12:34:08 PM... Paley and literally everyone is the US give xeralto for the whole lengthening period...

They give xarelto full time now in the US because they are only using precise, which is non weight bearing; they didn't do the same when they were using Stryde, which was full weight bearing. I wrote elsewhere: It is the weight bearing limitation of Precise which makes the difference here and I don't think giotikas suddenly went nuts

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Quote from: Arcon on November 09, 2021, 01:58:49 PMThey give xarelto full time now in the US because they are only using precise, which is non weight bearing; they didn't do the same when they were using Stryde, which was full weight bearing. I wrote elsewhere: It is the weight bearing limitation of Precise which makes the difference here and I don't think giotikas suddenly went nuts

Read the raaz diary he did stryde with Assayag also you can read Assayag interviews. Paley said in many conferences and on his website that he gives blood thinner irrespective of the nail (stryde or otherwise).

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Quote from: overandover on November 09, 2021, 01:55:18 PMEvery doc thinks differently in terms of risk management. Blood thinners can cause liver issues and blood in your pee and stuff like that. It's not black and white. I'll still try to get blood thinners for the whole lengthening period otherwise will move back to my country and will get them here. In my current country, you can get asprin from amazon without any prescription or anything or I can just go to a doc here and ask for Xarelto. Other option is to consult with a vascular surgeon in giotikas hospital if giotikas won't give it then maybe they will. If you really want to get it you can get it I don't think giotikas can stop you from getting blood thinners.

If you don't trust your own surgeon that is not a good thing. You are agreeing to go unconscious and let the surgeon operate on you as he wants. You are already relying on him to not cause a fat embolism or damage some artery.

And do you really want to fly back to your home country knowing that flying increases the risk of PE? It's better to stay 3 months in Athens and then fly back. People have reported clicking problems with Guichet nail and you may have to travel back and forth. If you get PE on a long plane ride they have to make an emergency landing in a random country and your emergency care will get delayed. And who knows what country that will be and what their facility is like.

And finally Aspirin is over the country in many countries but xeralto is definitely not. Aspirin is way lighter.

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Quote from: two on November 09, 2021, 02:30:03 PMIf you don't trust your own surgeon that is not a good thing. You are agreeing to go unconscious and let the surgeon operate on you as he wants. You are already relying on him to not cause a fat embolism or damage some artery.

And do you really want to fly back to your home country knowing that flying increases the risk of PE? It's better to stay 3 months in Athens and then fly back. People have reported clicking problems with Guichet nail and you may have to travel back and forth. If you get PE on a long plane ride they have to make an emergency landing in a random country and your emergency care will get delayed. And who knows what country that will be and what their facility is like.

And finally Aspirin is over the country in many countries but xeralto is definitely not. Aspirin is way lighter.

It's not about trust it's about disagreement.

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Quote from: overandover on November 09, 2021, 02:39:16 PMIt's not about trust it's about disagreement.

What your saying is, you trust his intentions but not his abilities to keep you safe. So it is about trust.

Anyway it is your call. I just wanted to state my opinion.

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Quote from: overandover on November 09, 2021, 12:34:08 PMThen it means he is not a good doc. Paley and literally everyone is the US give xeralto for the whole lengthening period. Assayag even injects some blood thinner into your stomach right after the surgery [source: raaz diary]. I guess it's a bigger issue for a doc if a patient dies in the US than in EU.

I also saw Buldu injected blood thinner to their precice patient during lengthening on LLT IG story november 6.

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It is not about trust, you have to manage your own health to an extent (be proactive) and doctors are human. Also, the doctor cannot know everything. No one on earth can. I don't put complete faith in man only our creator. For example, if my father says he is going to pick me up from University, I trust him because he always comes and has five days a week for the last 3 years but I keep taxi money just in case because he is human and events beyond his control can stop him from coming or even his own negligence in running a light and getting into a car accident.

I just saw an interview with Cyborg4Life last week and Betz also gives blood thinners the whole time. So I am not sure it has anything to do with weight bearing but maybe it does.  Anyway I flew home for 14 hours total (2 flights) and the other guy didn't and I am doing well.  So I don't think staying in Athens is the key. If you aren't having any problems clicking, they won't suddenly arise.  Clicking only gets easier.  I left at 5 weeks, and never was unable to click.Although clicking was always the worst part while I was there.   Almost all of Betz's patients fly home after 2-3 weeks.