How risky would 3cm be on the tibia?

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Quote from: vaas on June 14, 2016, 06:43:23 PMSo, it's just because it's not a 4" - 6" increase that you say save my money? That makes sense, and I can see why people would say that, but I just really want to be 5' 11".

Besides that, would there be any negative consequences of a lengthening of ~3cm? I see lots of posts about the consequences of lengthening, but they're typically discussing things like 10cm+.

Not just your money. Time, pain and complications too.

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There's a flaw in your logic here OP.

1" (2.5cm) reduces the risk compared to 2" (5cm) but doesn't reduce the risk that LL 'as a whole' carries.

Nerves and tendons don't really have any "slack" in them (muscles could be debated)

The nerves and tendons are at the length they are supposed to be. So ANY amount of stretching carries huge risk.

Smaller amounts carry less risk than extreme amounts, yes. But not less risky than not doing LL at all.

LL carries huge risk regardless of amount done, you ADD to that risk depending on amount lengthened. But the starting risk level remains the same.

Hope that helps.

Also, I'm not being snarky here either (serious), but how do average height guys find this site? How did you?

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Quote from: vaas on June 14, 2016, 06:43:23 PMBesides that, would there be any negative consequences of a lengthening of ~3cm? I see lots of posts about the consequences of lengthening, but they're typically discussing things like 10cm+.

There's actually relatively few that have done that many CM's on this forum. Without actually going through each diary, I believe that most do 5 to 8 cm's.

I'm not sure if there is a single example of anyone doing less than 5cm on this forum. (without doing quads)

Which means, most of the complications these guys have talked about are in the 5 to 8 cm range of LL.

There's lots of reports in the diaries that tightness and complications arose around the 5cm mark, and quite a few have expressed regret that they did more than 5cm.

But, 5cm is a psychological limit of sorts for most, since it is 2"

For the same reason retailers mark prices at $9.99 instead of $10.00, there is a mental change that happens at certain numbers. 5cm seems to be that number. 8cm is the next number, because it is the limit of internal precice rods.

In other words, there is little evidence that 3cm is less risky than 5cm.

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Quote from: CCMidwest on June 14, 2016, 06:46:33 PMAlso, I'm not being snarky here either (serious), but how do average height guys find this site? How did you?

It helps, thank you for your time.

I found this site because I feel small and because the average height for white people is 5' 10". I wanted to be above average in height, and years ago I was extremely insecure about it so I looked up 'how to get taller'. I recently found this site by looking up how stretching can increase your height by 2cm, and I remembered years ago looking into LL surgery wanting to get to 6' 2", so I just researched it again and voila.

Quote from: CCMidwest on June 14, 2016, 07:23:51 PMThere's actually relatively few that have done that many CM's on this forum. Without actually going through each diary, I believe that most do 5 to 8 cm's.

I'm not sure if there is a single example of anyone doing less than 5cm on this forum. (without doing quads)

Which means, most of the complications these guys have talked about are in the 5 to 8 cm range of LL.

There's lots of reports in the diaries that tightness and complications arose around the 5cm mark, and quite a few have expressed regret that they did more than 5cm.

But, 5cm is a psychological limit of sorts for most, since it is 2"

For the same reason retailers mark prices at $9.99 instead of $10.00, there is a mental change that happens at certain numbers. 5cm seems to be that number. 8cm is the next number, because it is the limit of internal precice rods.

In other words, there is little evidence that 3cm is less risky than 5cm.

Not even theoretical evidence? I've read on old forums that 5cm is the maximum that anybody should do, and that it's the amount that carries the least complications and the least risk, so I figured less would decrease those chances by more. I guess I'll have to do more looking around.

Going off other's experiences, and just hypothetically, how do you personally feel about 3cm of increase? Or do you personally feel that any amount of increase in height is too risky for cosmetic purposes?

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No one here has a right to tell you if 3cm is not worth it. If it's worth to you, than go with it that's all.

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Quote from: vaas on June 14, 2016, 07:43:40 PMNot even theoretical evidence? I've read on old forums that 5cm is the maximum that anybody should do, and that it's the amount that carries the least complications and the least risk, so I figured less would decrease those chances by more. I guess I'll have to do more looking around.

Going off other's experiences, and just hypothetically, how do you personally feel about 3cm of increase? Or do you personally feel that any amount of increase in height is too risky for cosmetic purposes?

I've decided against LL for myself. I'm neither pro LL nor against LL. Do what you want for sure. In actuality, I'd love to see a diary of someone doing so little. So make sure you post about it if you go forward.

LL might still be in my future at some point, but I have too much to risk right now. But I would never do this for such a small amount, just for the fact that no one, even myself, would even notice. There is not any benefit to 3cm, to me, that I can see. 3cm's isn't anything heeled shoes couldn't do for you.

One of the reasons I decided against LL was I'm not convinced 5cm is even enough, and I'm too chicken sh*t to do more.

Just think it through man, that's all you can do.


Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 14, 2016, 07:44:06 PMNo one here has a right to tell you if 3cm is not worth it. If it's worth to you, than go with it that's all.

True.

ETA: Feeling small at 1/2" under average? Really? If I was 5'9.5 I'd take all that LL money and buy one-on-one training with the best personal trainer in town and put on some serious muscle. Or buy a BMW. Or a Mercedes SL400 (girls love those, trust me)

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 14, 2016, 07:44:06 PMNo one here has a right to tell you if 3cm is not worth it. If it's worth to you, than go with it that's all.

Well, it's worth it to me until it isn't worth it to me, you know? I'm more than willing to take criticism from people on here so long as it's based around risks and not based around my goals.

If there's sound evidence supporting the idea that 3cm LL would result in 100% (or near 100%) recovery in athletic performance with a nearly negligible percent chance of running into complications, then I'm all for going through with getting the operation. I could just do spine hangs and stretches to make up for the other 1cm-2cm (well, 2cm if I'm lucky) for a true 5' 11" height.

However, if I won't be able to sprint, swim, jump, take impact, lift heavy weights, or anything of the like after 2 years/forever, then it'll definitely not be worth it, and I might just stick with the yoga, hanging, and other alternative methods of spine stretching to just peak above 5' 10" naturally.

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Quote from: vaas on June 14, 2016, 08:11:09 PMWell, it's worth it to me until it isn't worth it to me, you know? I'm more than willing to take criticism from people on here so long as it's based around risks and not based around my goals.

If there's sound evidence supporting the idea that 3cm LL would result in 100% (or near 100%) recovery in athletic performance with a nearly negligible percent chance of running into complications, then I'm all for going through with getting the operation. I could just do spine hangs and stretches to make up for the other 1cm-2cm (well, 2cm if I'm lucky) for a true 5' 11" height.

However, if I won't be able to sprint, swim, jump, take impact, lift heavy weights, or anything of the like after 2 years/forever, then it'll definitely not be worth it, and I might just stick with the yoga, hanging, and other alternative methods of spine stretching to just peak above 5' 10" naturally.

I think 3cm´s seems to be a noticebale amount, especially if you consider that your recovery will be much switfer and that your proportions will stay pretty much undamaged.
My height is similar to yours and I can fully understand your decision to do a small amount. Once you hit 180 you´ll be considered pretty much average in all the western countries.
I personally would also do 4cm´s max and I may stick to 3 as well (If I really decide to do this).
If you believe that 3cm´s will make you happy do it. Every mm more increases the risk of complications and make the process much longer and more painful.

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Quote from: vaas on June 14, 2016, 08:11:09 PMWell, it's worth it to me until it isn't worth it to me, you know? I'm more than willing to take criticism from people on here so long as it's based around risks and not based around my goals.

If there's sound evidence supporting the idea that 3cm LL would result in 100% (or near 100%) recovery in athletic performance with a nearly negligible percent chance of running into complications, then I'm all for going through with getting the operation. I could just do spine hangs and stretches to make up for the other 1cm-2cm (well, 2cm if I'm lucky) for a true 5' 11" height.

However, if I won't be able to sprint, swim, jump, take impact, lift heavy weights, or anything of the like after 2 years/forever, then it'll definitely not be worth it, and I might just stick with the yoga, hanging, and other alternative methods of spine stretching to just peak above 5' 10" naturally.

You are asking the wrong people about recovery.
99% of people here have never done LL. Out of the remaining 1%, more than half or even 3/4 did either femurs or tibs with  ty docs.
 Wanna know what will happen to you (Functionally speaking)? Talk to people who actually did it...

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 14, 2016, 08:53:59 PM 99% of people here have never done LL.

That's a bit of a stretch..
Unless you meant this thread.