If you are 5'7-5'8, I only think LL is worth it if you get 7 cm minimum

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 22, 2021, 04:52:32 PMEnlargement surgery will cause a lot more downward torque on the penis.  Even when it's hard it will be floppy from the base and won't point upward anymore.  Only get it if your penis is absolutely pathetic in size or if it naturally points way up (not a curve, the whole thing).

if its not hard you cant do anal because it will bend all the time

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Quote from: Ronman on June 22, 2021, 08:42:34 AMI am 172-173, and realistically I don't see a huge change in my life if I got 5.5cm or 6cm. I'd still be in the class of 'not big enough to be a MAN purely on height'. Ie I'd have to still compensate with muscles, status, a big personality etc.

A strong 5'11, ie 181 cm, now you're in a different class range. You are basically seen as A MAN wherever you walk. Not a big man worthy of a ton of respect, but a MAN nonetheless. Nobody will disrespect a 181cm man because of his size

But 9cm is not attainable, so what is the point for me? 7cm plus wearing 2 cm lifts at all times is an option, but why LL if you still have to wear lifts? Defeats the purpose.

Best to just wear height shoes that take me to 176cm, stay exremely lean, get a roided body, increase my penis size, and be very outgoing.

Please don't do LL. You will waste your money and still be unhappy. Height is obviously not your only problem, either because height dysphoria or heightism.

LL will make you taller, that's it. As long as you get inside one deviation of average height for your country, you're good to go in terms of avoiding heightism and discrimination ini the dating market. .

But LL won't fix your delusion that you are only a man if you are 181cm.

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Ahem, buddy, I'm MTF, 172, I've never gotten   for being 5'8, most people respected me regardless. If you're not being respected or considered by women at such a height the problem is not coming from your body I can assure you, I'm into men but I had countless women be interested in me. Besides 5'8 is enough to be taller than most ladies already. You really don't have to be 6' to deem yourself as a man really.

Besides 7cm is actually range. 5cm is considered safe and that's what I'm going for as I just want the long legs and 177 will be tall enough for a woman.

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i think tansgeners are copletely fked in their heads even worse than usual people on here.
but hey sometimes u gotta learn the hard way. theres a reason why sucides rates are this high.
nature fixxing up itself so that next gen dont have to deal with this bs. 

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First, the suicide rates are as low as the general population's post transition 
Second, nobody asked for your opinion, especially since the majority disagrees with you and this isn't the subject of this forum 
Third be an   if you wish that's on you not me buddy

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Quote from: 10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO on June 28, 2021, 07:13:42 PMi think tansgeners are copletely fked in their heads even worse than usual people on here.
but hey sometimes u gotta learn the hard way. theres a reason why sucides rates are this high.
nature fixxing up itself so that next gen dont have to deal with this bs. 

whatever you say, incel

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Quote from: 10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO on June 28, 2021, 07:13:42 PMi think tansgeners are copletely fked in their heads even worse than usual people on here.
but hey sometimes u gotta learn the hard way. theres a reason why sucides rates are this high.
nature fixxing up itself so that next gen dont have to deal with this bs. 

Unfair man. This person has come on this forum to get advice on LL, not be taunted and abused.

What they do with their body/life is their business. Doesn't affect you.

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Quote from: Elhemioe on June 28, 2021, 09:15:55 PMFirst, the suicide rates are as low as the general population's post transition 

That's a blatant lie....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

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Quote from: Ronman on June 22, 2021, 08:42:34 AMI am 172-173, and realistically I don't see a huge change in my life if I got 5.5cm or 6cm. I'd still be in the class of 'not big enough to be a MAN purely on height'. Ie I'd have to still compensate with muscles, status, a big personality etc.

A strong 5'11, ie 181 cm, now you're in a different class range. You are basically seen as A MAN wherever you walk. Not a big man worthy of a ton of respect, but a MAN nonetheless. Nobody will disrespect a 181cm man because of his size

But 9cm is not attainable, so what is the point for me? 7cm plus wearing 2 cm lifts at all times is an option, but why LL if you still have to wear lifts? Defeats the purpose.

Best to just wear height shoes that take me to 176cm, stay exremely lean, get a roided body, increase my penis size, and be very outgoing.

I am1,76 and even before my LL (at 1,69) I was more a "man" than you would be after 8-9 cm.
Because you feel inadequate amd that won't change a lot as even now you are not short to feel so inferior so there is clearly a self esteem problem.

That said, being taller help to be more attractive with women.
But noome will see a man at your height with a built body and some good style as not manly enough.
Nor they would see an 1,85 skinny guy with boysh clothes as vrry manly only because he is tall.

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Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on June 30, 2021, 12:21:37 PMThat's a blatant lie....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

Note that I said post transition, not post surgery.
Transition is about social coming out and hormonal surgery mostly. Sex reassignment is .. debatable. It causes a lot of suicide because many people don't need it and end up disappointed.
"A survey of trans people in the UK found that a medical transition was shown to greatly reduce rates of suicidal ideation and attempts, in contrast to those at other stages of transition (imminently transitioning or beginning transition). 67% of transitioning people thought about suicide before transitioning whereas only 3% thought about suicide after their transition (Bailey et al., 2014)."
Less than half transgender people who undergo a medical transition chose to get srs. I'm not sure but I think I remember reading that it's actually less than 20% but that needs to be confirmed.
Not to mention that, once again, it's not the subject of the topic nor the forum.

Quote from: Ronman on June 30, 2021, 01:49:39 AMUnfair man. This person has come on this forum to get advice on LL, not be taunted and abused.

What they do with their body/life is their business. Doesn't affect you.

Thank you that's appreciated