Installing height- Programdude's Precice 2 Internal femurs with Dr. Paley

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Hey Programdude. Is your femur longer than your torso when you sit down and look at them from the side? What pant inseam fits you best at 5'11? Would you happen to know your sitting height? How far down on your new femurs do your hands reach down to when you stand up?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm just trying to get a sense of what looks good proportionally after LL. I'm still going to do LL anyways (just tryin to get enough money for a good doc at the moment), but I'm just curious.

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I haven't looked particularly but yeah my femurs probably similar to my torso. Kinda hard to tell with my bit of duckass. Remember I can't exactly stand up unaided to try the hand experiment and have the duckass, but before they went down with my fingers past my kneecaps. Now when I lie flat they are about above the knee which looks much better. Not sure about the numbers you're asking for though since Im just wearing loose shorts at the moment and never cared to measure seated height.

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Wow, you still have long arms relative to your body, which looks very good in moderation. It sounds like you were meant for leg lengthening. Cheers!

Personally, my femurs seem about 2-4CM shorter than my torso when I sit down. I'm kind of annoyed that they'll probably be longer than my torso after lengthening but console myself with the idea that most people probably won't notice or care.

My fingers only reach about halfway down my femurs as it is. After lengthening, it would likely be only a third of the way down. I have really broad shoulders for my height and a slim waist though, so hopefully I won't appear disproportionate to most people.

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Wow only halfway down? I didn't realize my arm length was THAT ridiculous compared to others.

I really don't think people will notice anything off for the average femur lengthener though.

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So today marks exactly 3 months I've been in West Palm, and its the end of the road.... Sort of. Got my x rays taken today and was seen by a PA I haven't seen since the beginning. He gave me grief about removing my wheelchairs leg supports that would keep my legs straight and went to test my range of motion and was echoing the basics of how important it is to keep your legs straight even after I told him I just used the wheelchair when I had to use the van for last 1 CM. I found that weird and told him I was at 8 CM at which point he said "oh. Nevermind I retract everything I just said, you're doing incredible to have that ROM".

Unfortunately when he tried to open the X rays the system was too slow, so he went to check on it in the offices computer which was the only working one. Much later he comes back and says he measured me at 8, but the computer still can't display them so he asks me to wait more, was nice enough to extend lunch to me, though it ended up being for naught since two hours later they were down and I ended up scheduling for tomorrow morning.

So the suspense builds, but it sounds like everything is where it should be. He said ROM measurements and bone growth are the main things they look at both of which were great for me.

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Attached is my final X ray at 8 CM. Feels great to be officially done with the hardest part, and slowly be getting more restorative sleep. I am pretty loose aside from hip flexors and as a result have duckass I need to work on.

Now the last thing I need to decide is if I am going home or not. Since there is no guarantee I will be consolidated in a month, I think I may just want to say I fractured my legs doing... Something?... And just tell my roommates not to tell anyone Im back in the meanwhile. The idea of staying here for a month let alone two is pretty unappealing after all.

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Congratulations, man. For those on the forum, I had the chance to meet with program dude for a bit and I can attest to the fact he looks entirely normal after 8cm and indeed does have a large wing span for his height. Other than the atrophy and your duck ass, you should be back on your feet in due time. I wasn't a big fan of West Palm Beach either, and I only spent one night. If I were you I'd probably go back ASAP as well.

It's unfortunate Paley operates out of West Palm and not some other more attractive city in Florida. His hospital is nice, but it's not spectacular or out of the ordinary. For the price he commands, I was expecting more than what I came to see. It's pretty much like any run of the mill hospital in the USA . His surgical skill is probably the only thing that he has leverage on compared to other first world doctors. Of course, that is the most important factor in this procedure.

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Quote from: Polycrates. on October 17, 2014, 07:46:41 PMCongratulations, man. For those on the forum, I had the chance to meet with program dude for a bit and I can attest to the fact he looks entirely normal after 8cm and indeed does have a large wing span for his height. Other than the atrophy and your duck ass, you should be back on your feet in due time. I wasn't a big fan of West Palm Beach either, and I only spent one night. If I were you I'd probably go back ASAP as well.

It's unfortunate Paley operates out of West Palm and not some other more attractive city in Florida. His hospital is nice, but it's not spectacular or out of the ordinary. For the price he commands, I was expecting more than what I came to see. It's pretty much like any run of the mill hospital in the USA . His surgical skill is probably the only thing that he has leverage on compared to other first world doctors. Of course, that is the most important factor in this procedure.
ohh that's great

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Quote from: Polycrates. on October 17, 2014, 07:46:41 PMCongratulations, man. For those on the forum, I had the chance to meet with program dude for a bit and I can attest to the fact he looks entirely normal after 8cm and indeed does have a large wing span for his height. Other than the atrophy and your duck ass, you should be back on your feet in due time. I wasn't a big fan of West Palm Beach either, and I only spent one night. If I were you I'd probably go back ASAP as well.

It's unfortunate Paley operates out of West Palm and not some other more attractive city in Florida. His hospital is nice, but it's not spectacular or out of the ordinary. For the price he commands, I was expecting more than what I came to see. It's pretty much like any run of the mill hospital in the USA . His surgical skill is probably the only thing that he has leverage on compared to other first world doctors. Of course, that is the most important factor in this procedure.

I think thats a bit of a superficial evaluation and are overlooking the PT center, which is the biggest upside of Paley next to his skills, and a very significant one. I think the hospital itself is pretty much a non factor since you spend only a couple of days there and they are perfectly fine.

While West Palm gets boring with no legs, and the immediate areas not great, anywhere gets old in the same circumstances. The perk of the area is the living costs, which as you mentioned are favorable even when compared to india. Personally, I would much prefer him operating out of WPB than a more expensive area since during this process, since a lot of your stay is spent inside regardless, and I'm guessing all but those with no budgetary concerns would probably agree.

If one is to go down the path of internals I definitely think Paley is by far the best choice. I've said it before, but I think most people forget that PT and equipment etc. is included in the price, so the price difference with him and other first world dr.'s really isn't that steep.

I dont blame you for your first impression though. My first time coming here for my consultation I was pretty unimpressed as well on an aesthetic level and sort of thought "this is it?".

Was good to meet you and see quite a success come out of India. I can attest to your proportions and walking being great as well. Didn't even notice at first.

BTW, of interest it sounds like there are plans for Paley to open a center in Mexico as well to get prices down approx 20k. The struggle sounds like getting PT to the level of the current establishment. In general it sounds like Paley is looking to expand and become more mainstream, as I was interviewed along with others on how to improve operations, and separately by a web designer who showed me the new much more polished website they are working on. They are also redoing the whole waiting room area of the institute. It seemed pretty clear to me that he aims to plant his flag firmly as the top dr. as awareness spreads about the surgery and it becomes more mainstream.

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Yeah,

I should have been more specific in my post that I was by no means put off by what I saw. It's just that I held in my mind an unrealistic view of how spectacular Dr. Paley's institution and accommodation set up would be and I was brought back to reality when I found it all to be still of this world, if that makes sense. It's important to note I never got access into the PT centre or the opportunity to meet Paley unfortunately, but from some of the deformities he is helping to correct that I saw coming out of the clinic in the brief time I was there, it is obvious that cosmetic LL is an absolute breeze in comparison for him.

I really hope Paley succeeds in opening a practice in Mexico. I've lived there for a brief time and know how much cheaper all facets of living are. The country can be safe under the right circumstances (keep out of anything related to oil or drugs) and most people there are nice and well intended. If he can do that and get the cost of a package to under 80kUSD, then future lengtheners will be in for a real treat.

Thanks again for the kind compliments. I've been doing a lot of walking and stretching since I posted my first videos. For those interested in my progress, I'm going to attempt some running and other activities and will probably have some videos available by the new year.