I’m sorry for everything you have gone through. All I can say is I’m grateful that everything has been going well with my surgery and not all Turkish doctors are butchers. Either that or I (along with everyone else I’ve met here) have been very fortunate. Still I hope you can have a good outcome and return to your normal life.
Quote from: Stubborn Knucklehead on July 28, 2023, 10:22:24 AMI’m sorry for everything you have gone through. All I can say is I’m grateful that everything has been going well with my surgery and not all Turkish doctors are butchers. Either that or I (along with everyone else I’ve met here) have been very fortunate. Still I hope you can have a good outcome and return to your normal life.
To be honest, I question the authenticity of these individuals. If I were in their shoes, I'd be relentlessly posting videos on YouTube and contacting news agencies who might even compensate these people. Moreover, I would immediately file a lawsuit against the responsible doctor. However, all these people seem to do is complain on this forum. It just doesn't make sense. If they are crippled, wouldn't they be outraged enough to contact a news agency? If a doctor were responsible for debilitating me for the rest of my life, I would turn that doctor's life upside down if his guilt is as pronounced as claimed. Furthermore, numerous people have also chimed in, claiming they are now crippled too. Though I've only encountered perhaps ten patients in my life, I believe that if the complications were as high as suggested, the authorities wouldn't permit such a procedure in the first place
They often argue that they are concerned about their privacy. However, they should realize that their faces can be blurred, and voices can be altered in such reports. I suspect that these individuals might be employees from rival companies abroad or even domestically or possibly envious of Live Life Taller's financial success. During the lengthening period when I was writing a diary, it was bombarded with nonsensical lies. I even exposed one individual who was using Turkish-to-English translation while claiming to be French. His English was so poor that it was clear he hadn't even reviewed what he wrote. As a Turkish speaker, I immediately realized he was Turkish when he referred to my doctor Yunus as 'Dolphine,' a direct English translation. Ultimately, he admitted he was a Turkish resident living in France. I advise taking people's words on this platform with a hefty dose of skepticism, unless they provide authenticated videos and pictures.
I've also noticed that these individuals seem to target those who write about their experiences in Turkey, never even offering well-wishes or encouragement. Instead, they instantly bombard these accounts with accusations of fabrication, condemnations of the doctors, and dire warnings of future disability. I don't see this sort of commentary for patients who document their experiences with doctors in Germany, the US, Greece, Italy, and so forth. As you are all aware, there have been even two deaths reported in Italy, and yet, I don't see these kinds of comments targeting that specific doctor on this forum. I'm referring to Dr. Guichet - my pronunciation of his name might be incorrect, but I believe you know who I'm talking about I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I do understand human nature. It seems there's a considerable share in the limb lengthening market that some people don't want to share.
Furthermore, these individuals spend an extraordinary amount of time on this forum, almost as if it were their job. Most people tend to limit their forum activity after their procedures are completed, choosing to move on with their lives and only checking in occasionally. For instance, I didn't log into this forum for about four to five months after my lengthening procedure was done.
If you claim to be crippled, create a YouTube channel and post weekly videos. Reach out to media outlets like CNN or BBC - they would most certainly be interested in covering your story without revealing your identity, and you might even receive compensation. File a lawsuit against the responsible doctor, continue posting updates, and start a GoFundMe campaign. However, if you don't take these steps, don't expect people to believe your claim of being crippled. Be decent, and refrain from tarnishing people's names without substantial proof.
Quote from: QuarkSoup on August 03, 2023, 01:12:14 AMTo be honest, I question the authenticity of these individuals. If I were in their shoes, I'd be relentlessly posting videos on YouTube and contacting news agencies who might even compensate these people. Moreover, I would immediately file a lawsuit against the responsible doctor. However, all these people seem to do is complain on this forum. It just doesn't make sense. If they are crippled, wouldn't they be outraged enough to contact a news agency? If a doctor were responsible for debilitating me for the rest of my life, I would turn that doctor's life upside down if his guilt is as pronounced as claimed. Furthermore, numerous people have also chimed in, claiming they are now crippled too. Though I've only encountered perhaps ten patients in my life, I believe that if the complications were as high as suggested, the authorities wouldn't permit such a procedure in the first place
They often argue that they are concerned about their privacy. However, they should realize that their faces can be blurred, and voices can be altered in such reports. I suspect that these individuals might be employees from rival companies abroad or even domestically or possibly envious of Live Life Taller's financial success. During the lengthening period when I was writing a diary, it was bombarded with nonsensical lies. I even exposed one individual who was using Turkish-to-English translation while claiming to be French. His English was so poor that it was clear he hadn't even reviewed what he wrote. As a Turkish speaker, I immediately realized he was Turkish when he referred to my doctor Yunus as 'Dolphine,' a direct English translation. Ultimately, he admitted he was a Turkish resident living in France. I advise taking people's words on this platform with a hefty dose of skepticism, unless they provide authenticated videos and pictures.
I've also noticed that these individuals seem to target those who write about their experiences in Turkey, never even offering well-wishes or encouragement. Instead, they instantly bombard these accounts with accusations of fabrication, condemnations of the doctors, and dire warnings of future disability. I don't see this sort of commentary for patients who document their experiences with doctors in Germany, the US, Greece, Italy, and so forth. As you are all aware, there have been even two deaths reported in Italy, and yet, I don't see these kinds of comments targeting that specific doctor on this forum. I'm referring to Dr. Guichet - my pronunciation of his name might be incorrect, but I believe you know who I'm talking about I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I do understand human nature. It seems there's a considerable share in the limb lengthening market that some people don't want to share.
Furthermore, these individuals spend an extraordinary amount of time on this forum, almost as if it were their job. Most people tend to limit their forum activity after their procedures are completed, choosing to move on with their lives and only checking in occasionally. For instance, I didn't log into this forum for about four to five months after my lengthening procedure was done.
If you claim to be crippled, create a YouTube channel and post weekly videos. Reach out to media outlets like CNN or BBC - they would most certainly be interested in covering your story without revealing your identity, and you might even receive compensation. File a lawsuit against the responsible doctor, continue posting updates, and start a GoFundMe campaign. However, if you don't take these steps, don't expect people to believe your claim of being crippled. Be decent, and refrain from tarnishing people's names without substantial proof.
I don’t agree with your opinion. I can’t respond to everything, but I’ll mention a few points.
You say victims should sue. But remember, many people who undergo LL surgery in Turkey are the foreigners. Suing in another country is hard. It takes time, effort, and money. Most of these patients prioritize their recovery over legal action.
Many people who get LL surgery don’t want others to know. Therefore, many people would probably avoid revealing any personal information, even the slightest, in photos or videos. Moreover, to my knowledge, many of the reported victims of surgery in Turkey are Asians. Maybe they are reluctant to expose their cosmetic surgery failures on a platform like YouTube for cultural reasons.
On the other hand, of course not all LL surgeries fail in Turkey. I understand that the patients who succeeded in Turkey feel uncomfortable with the criticisms of Turkish doctors.
I agree that there are some fabrications mixed in the criticisms of Turkish doctors. I remember there was a post about a Turkish doctor who was an alcoholic, but that was probably a lie. There might also be some posts on this forum that are intended to lower the number of customers for other clinics. However, the medical malpractice by LLT against hasaki in this thread is clearly true.
Quote from: Maison on August 03, 2023, 04:55:36 AMI don’t agree with your opinion. I can’t respond to everything, but I’ll mention a few points.
You say victims should sue. But remember, many people who undergo LL surgery in Turkey are the foreigners. Suing in another country is hard. It takes time, effort, and money. Most of these patients prioritize their recovery over legal action.
Many people who get LL surgery don’t want others to know. Therefore, many people would probably avoid revealing any personal information, even the slightest, in photos or videos. Moreover, to my knowledge, many of the reported victims of surgery in Turkey are Asians. Maybe they are reluctant to expose their cosmetic surgery failures on a platform like YouTube for cultural reasons.
On the other hand, of course not all LL surgeries fail in Turkey. I understand that the patients who succeeded in Turkey feel uncomfortable with the criticisms of Turkish doctors.
I agree that there are some fabrications mixed in the criticisms of Turkish doctors. I remember there was a post about a Turkish doctor who was an alcoholic, but that was probably a lie. There might also be some posts on this forum that are intended to lower the number of customers for other clinics. However, the medical malpractice by LLT against hasaki in this thread is clearly true.
I never feel uncomfortable with criticism. I welcome criticism, as it is what has brought us this far. As an engineer, I have no choice but to be comfortable with criticism. Those who cannot accept criticism are often authoritarian figures like Putin, Erdogan, or Kim. What I truly dislike are lies and people's greed. The majority of people here have tainted my diary, claiming it to be fake despite all the authenticated photos I have shared. Therefore, I am almost entirely confident that there is a conflict of interest here. This is also why I left the forum four months ago, and will do the same again soon. I dislike such behaviors because I want humanity to thrive and one day become an Omega-type civilization. I don't want people to stoop so low.
Additionally, they provide absolutely no evidence. It would take no more than 20 minutes to take a video and blur your face. Regarding your Asian claim, during my stay at the WannaBeTaller facility, I encountered only one Asian individual, four Americans, one Canadian, one Iraqi, and four or five Germans. These people seemed quite confident. The people here who have written that I am now crippled, etc., also seem to have high confidence. It's quite easy to call CNN, tell them what happened, and they would immediately send a reporter to your home. You wouldn't even have to leave your house, and no one would see or hear you. It's that simple. You would ruin the doctor's reputation and career for the rest of his life and even might cause his medical license to be revoked.
But If you are a rival from the United States, Germany, Italy, Greece, India, or Turkey, you might employ a strategy of discrediting the competition: 'throw mud and some will stick.'"
Hasaki showed many photos of his bad result.
Apart from other people’s posts, do you also say that Hasaki’s damage is a lie?
He seems to be Chinese, and he may not be very good at English.
Maybe he is telling his story in Chinese media.
Anyway, people who had bad LL surgery may get hateful messages if they tell everyone what happened to them. So it is normal that they don’t want to talk about the bad doctors outside this forum.
Also, although he is not a Turkish doctor, Betz was sued in Germany and it was reported in the news. As a result, did his hospital stop doing surgery? Maybe the media doesn’t have as much influence as you think.
You said that you met 10 patients during your stay, but that is too small a sample to judge whether the hospital is good or not. Even if there are many failures in Turkey, I guess severe failures such as osteomyelitis or deformity are about 5%.
I don’t think that all Turkish doctors are bad. Your doctor may be fine. But at least LLT is a medical institution that should be avoided.
can you share the news link on Betz being charged?
Quote from: Bagga on August 03, 2023, 07:50:23 AMcan you share the news link on Betz being charged?
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9733.0
https://www.zeit.de/zustimmung?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2018%2F47%2Fbeinverlaengerung-operation-koerpergroesse-arzt-wunderheiler-gericht
It is not possible to these Doctos do a butcher work with every single patient and being on TV and social midia living like nothing is going on, so my vision is there are a few of bad cases, perhaps more then american Doctors because these Doctors operate much more patientes and because they use methods more dated.
I did my hair transplant on turkey and I like of the result, it was very dense and natural.
Quote from: otaviognu on August 03, 2023, 04:07:10 PMIt is not possible to these Doctos do a butcher work with every single patient and being on TV and social midia living like nothing is going on, so my vision is there are a few of bad cases, perhaps more then american Doctors because these Doctors operate much more patientes and because they use methods more dated.
At first glance, it seems logical to argue that the number of surgical failures in Turkey increases due to the high volume of surgeries.
Indeed, even for excellent doctors, it is challenging to eliminate the occurrence of complications entirely.
However, the problem with LLT is not just their rate of complications.
They lack the ability to diagnose complications early, fail to provide the right treatment when complications are clear, and continue with their strong marketing.
Additionally, a positive experience with hair transplantation in Turkey is in no way an evidence of the safety of LL surgery. Even if hair transplantation fails, the only harm is that the hair doesn't grow as expected. There's no possibility of bone deformation or chronic osteomyelitis.
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