On the fence, Coming to terms with potential complications~ realist approach

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Quote from: zaozari on February 14, 2022, 10:54:54 AMIt's strange comparing 5% of Rozbruch with the 0% claimmed by Palley both with thousands of surgeries. And number of amputations seems strange also, and astonishing (in a certain way let's "hope" it includes very bad surgeons).

Altough I don't believe in 0% complications either, but a more "true"/"accurate" number would still be far from those in the initial post.

Nevertheless I think we shouldn't hostilize people more fearful. They anyhow sometime, maybe still now, consider LL. They can bring useful information and no matter how unpleasant some things are for others  "more resolute" like me, to read, it's also a test to our resilience, to our decision making, which is not in the same level for everybody. We should stick to facts on this. For example, imagine 50% of people got crippled with LL: I would cry for a week and would be screwed maybe  forever but still would want to know. And I don't believe even 1% of people come here just to play and try to screw LLers or candidates.
So let's be courageous, as we already are, and accept these posts with objectivity and not frustration. But demanding references, not "heard of" and pure fear mongering for any hidden reason, from lack of money to religious fundamentalisms, moralists, hate sick people, etc.

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Quote from: zaozari on February 14, 2022, 07:53:06 PMAltough I don't believe in 0% complications either, but a more "true"/"accurate" number would still be far from those in the initial post.

Nevertheless I think we shouldn't hostilize people more fearful. They anyhow sometime, maybe still now, consider LL. They can bring useful information and no matter how unpleasant some things are for others  "more resolute" like me, to read, it's also a test to our resilience, to our decision making, which is not in the same level for everybody. We should stick to facts on this. For example, imagine 50% of people got crippled with LL: I would cry for a week and would be screwed maybe  forever but still would want to know. And I don't believe even 1% of people come here just to play and try to screw LLers or candidates.
So let's be courageous, as we already are, and accept these posts with objectivity and not frustration. But demanding references, not "heard of" and pure fear mongering for any hidden reason, from lack of money to religious fundamentalisms, moralists, hate sick people, etc.

I think other users tried to say that if he is still wondering if it is the right decision , he is not ready .
Few years ago I thought about this surgery day n night but the idea of it scared me SO MUCH that if someone said "I pay for it , u get Stryde , u want to do it next week?" I would have thought about it ,cried day n night because I would have been aware that I would have rejected that offer but still desiring to be taller .
Sometimes you need time to be ready , it's not lile some users who hoped on because of covid in a matter of weeks .
So ig the point here is...if you are this much anxious about it ...take your time and go for it only when you are sure that when you will wake up after the surgery ,you will know that even if hard..that was the only way you could live this life happy/happier .
If the fear is currently bigger then that ,avoid it for now n if it keeps being that way , just let this surgery go because if done for the wrong reasons ...can't imagine what a disaster this surgery would be .

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on February 14, 2022, 06:22:52 PMI think you don't need LL if your height dysphoria isn't bad enough that those numbers make you hesitant.

So true. The problems that actually kept me from doing surgery were how I was going to pay for it, who would take care of me while I was crippled, and how I was going to put my career on hold. Once those issues were addressed, complications were just an afterthought. I was briefly worried about going under general anesthesia or getting an embolism of some sort, but I was never really concerned about losing a limb or dying from LL. Needing a rebreak would be a costly complication, but I don't think it would be dangerous.

LL is such a personal decision, I don't see how research papers would actually influence someone who truly wanted to do it.

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why we need to gatekeep this procedure? I am impacted from a degree of height dysphoria and am in the position to fix that. It's normal to consider any serious complications before making the choice especially since the data points more perspective on this. Why should i need to be have HD to the point of wanting to do it without any consideration of any real consequence to be a legitimate candidate.?

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Quote from: billsmafia on February 14, 2022, 10:58:57 PMwhy we need to gatekeep this procedure? I am impacted from a degree of height dysphoria and am in the position to fix that. It's normal to consider any serious complications before making the choice especially since the data points more perspective on this. Why should i need to be have HD to the point of wanting to do it without any consideration of any real consequence to be a legitimate candidate.?

Because the procedure is purely elective. 99.9%+ short people don't do it because it won't help them. The only people it helps are those who have major height dysphoria. If you don't have major height dysphoria then you really shouldn't do it because any amount of complications is too much to be worth it (even 1%). If you do have major height dysphoria then you are probably willing to accept a 5%, 10%, maybe even a 20-30% complication rate to fix your dysphoria. In that case, you'll be happy doing it with any of the major surgeons in the US using a modern nail because the complication rates aren't going to be that high.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 14, 2022, 11:19:24 PMBecause the procedure is purely elective. 99.9%+ short people don't do it because it won't help them. The only people it helps are those who have major height dysphoria. If you don't have major height dysphoria then you really shouldn't do it because any amount of complications is too much to be worth it (even 1%). If you do have major height dysphoria then you are probably willing to accept a 5%, 10%, maybe even a 20-30% complication rate to fix your dysphoria. In that case, you'll be happy doing it with any of the major surgeons in the US using a modern nail because the complication rates aren't going to be that high.

100% agree. Just think, would you rather be dysphoric (depending on the extent) all your life or accept some risk and get the procedure done. Chances are if you're really, really worried about a ~5% complication risk, your height dysphoria may not be serious enough to warrant getting it.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 14, 2022, 10:56:42 PMSo true. The problems that actually kept me from doing surgery were how I was going to pay for it, who would take care of me while I was crippled, and how I was going to put my career on hold. Once those issues were addressed, complications were just an afterthought. I was briefly worried about going under general anesthesia or getting an embolism of some sort, but I was never really concerned about losing a limb or dying from LL. Needing a rebreak would be a costly complication, but I don't think it would be dangerous.

LL is such a personal decision, I don't see how research papers would actually influence someone who truly wanted to do it.

"How can I put career on hold?" - OK reason
"What I get embolism"? - Invalid reason?

hmmmm  What is the big deal with taking a career break?

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It's important to understand that *most* complications aren't major and can be solved rather easily. Actually major, dangerous complications like pulmonary embolism, amputation, or death are incredibly rare (if not almost non-existent) in the hands of a competent surgeon.

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Quote from: HeightWarCaptain on February 14, 2022, 11:05:26 AMI don't think if you are intimiated by complications of LL, you deserve LL if you don't mind me to say that.
Your being ambivalent between stepping back from LL and running the risks of complications to do LL is already explicitly indicating that you are not a good candidate for LL and you are very likely to regret doing this surgery during the procedures but just my 2 cents if I offended you I'd say sorry.
As for me, I don't care about complications except disabilities and even deaths are a resolution for me to get rid of height dysphoria. Not long time ago I weighed height higher than health and I thought Parkinson and Leukemia were better than being short so why I am writing you off not as a good candidate is already pretty self-explained.

'Once you hesitate on LL, you don't deserve LL'.

Regards and no offenses.

This is absolute nonsense. Nobody deserves or doesn’t deserve LL. It’s something you pay for with your money. I think not being concerned about complications is more of a sign that you aren’t in a mentally healthy enough place to be deciding to get this surgery done. You just sound like you are trying to be profound by saying this stuff, and even quoting yourself. It just comes off as a cringey 14 year old edge-posting after he learned about nihilism.

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Quote from: Sambollio on March 02, 2022, 07:35:06 PMThis is absolute nonsense. Nobody deserves or doesn’t deserve LL. It’s something you pay for with your money. I think not being concerned about complications is more of a sign that you aren’t in a mentally healthy enough place to be deciding to get this surgery done. You just sound like you are trying to be profound by saying this stuff, and even quoting yourself. It just comes off as a cringey 14 year old edge-posting after he learned about nihilism.

Or 'is not a good candidate for LL' or whatever you can look up the dictionary to put into my original statements cuz I am not a native English speaker so I am kinda ignorant of volcabulary but we should not reach to such degree where you think me as a 14 y.o nihilism follower who is attempting to make others delusional of me being profound, all of which are self-conjectured by you should we? Whether I am for real a mentally illness like you said or a follower of a nihilism, I am not 'selecting' who should be passed on doing LL and who should not be, instead, I am just kinda assured since he is worried about complications of LL and intimidated back off this LL, he is not willing to do LL enough. I rest my case. Mr.Sambolio it's your turn to speak in defense of OP.