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Posted on Jan 15, 2023, 10:57 pm
#11

Quote from: oklama on January 15, 2023, 07:06:57 AMyeah but im gonna be like 22 years old when its out  at this rate im trying to get this   OUT OF THE WAY. I want CLL out of my life and mind ASAP


Bro, trust me 22 is still young af.  Also, I'm assuming you want Stryde back for the weight-bearing capabilities.  If so, going for Betzbone with Dr. Becker or Guichet nail with Dr. Giotikas are not bad alternatives. 

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Posted on Jan 15, 2023, 11:18 pm
#12

Quote from: oklama on January 15, 2023, 06:25:30 AMgod damn it man, ill do it without stryde but its fking annoying. probably won't have the money even then but if I do it'll be  really annoying. can the US gov just stay the fk out of this I dont care about a little rust on the nail its a lot better than this thing taking months longer than it should


Lot’s of misinformation spreading on this forum. Stryde had weight-bearing but at what cost?

1) Higher incidences of Non-Union
2) More costly
3) Osteolysis risk leading to premature nail removal

Not to mention Stryde doesnt accelerate recovery as much as on thinks. Furthermore, betzbone/ gnail being weight-bearing is fiction. Many have had their nails broken and even more have failed to reach their goals because of the torturous clicking mechanism. The nails cause the same osteolysis but the doctors are negligent in discussing as the standards of medicine are, on the whole, much less comprehensive than the United States. Beware of surgeons outside of the US.

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Posted on Jan 15, 2023, 11:26 pm
#13

Quote from: Confidence on January 15, 2023, 10:57:33 PMBro, trust me 22 is still young af.  Also, I'm assuming you want Stryde back for the weight-bearing capabilities.  If so, going for Betzbone with Dr. Becker or Guichet nail with Dr. Giotikas are not bad alternatives.


3 more years spent in occasional mental torture is 3 years too many

I dont trust Betz, he lets people do like 10cm femurs which is jst ridiculous. Idk much about Giotikas but all these clicking nails seem like not worth the effort, id just do precise 2 If I had to but its just a frustrating situation

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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 10:23 am
#14

Quote from: ThirdSpace on January 15, 2023, 11:18:57 PM
Not to mention Stryde doesnt accelerate recovery as much as on thinks. Furthermore, betzbone/ gnail being weight-bearing is fiction. Many have had their nails broken and even more have failed to reach their goals because of the torturous clicking mechanism. The nails cause the same osteolysis but the doctors are negligent in discussing as the standards of medicine are, on the whole, much less comprehensive than the United States. Beware of surgeons outside of the US.


Mate, I’m curious really. What makes you say those things about the Gnail or Betzbone.
It sounds to me that it’s You spreading misinformation here. And you’re new to the forum and haven’t had any surgery yet so, why throwing out non senso al things that misinform people?

You do realise the fact that with precice you ain’t moving your butt for at least 3 months yeah?
Whereas with any weight bearing nail (yes they are fully weight bearing) at worst you move around with crutches from week 2. (At best you go without crutches that soon… being careful).

Nail breakage at least with the Gnail are rare to non existent.
Betzbone nail first version had this issue, but then they changed material and haven’t heard of that breaking since.

The “torturous” clicking you refer to is just simply not true. You can ask the 8 or 10 current Gnail patients on this forum. I’ve only ever heard of 1 patient having pre consolidation issues and therefore problems with clicking (V21). I could tell you that at the same time I’ve seen precice patients screaming in pain when elongating their nails….

Last, I notice that in this forum we tend to go about the nails as if it was a soccer team…. My nail is better than yours… your nail is shiiite. My doctor is the best, your doctor is a c..t

Guys, if you’re being paid to support a nail or a doctor, ok that’s your job. If not, don’t be stupid. Don’t write these statement that new prospective patient get all hung up to if you don’t really know things. Just keep that Shiite to yourself or provide evidence behind your statements

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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 1:47 pm
#15

Quote from: OzBoy39 on January 16, 2023, 10:23:01 AMMate, I’m curious really. What makes you say those things about the Gnail or Betzbone.
It sounds to me that it’s You spreading misinformation here. And you’re new to the forum and haven’t had any surgery yet so, why throwing out non senso al things that misinform people?

You do realise the fact that with precice you ain’t moving your butt for at least 3 months yeah?
Whereas with any weight bearing nail (yes they are fully weight bearing) at worst you move around with crutches from week 2. (At best you go without crutches that soon… being careful).

Nail breakage at least with the Gnail are rare to non existent.
Betzbone nail first version had this issue, but then they changed material and haven’t heard of that breaking since.

The “torturous” clicking you refer to is just simply not true. You can ask the 8 or 10 current Gnail patients on this forum. I’ve only ever heard of 1 patient having pre consolidation issues and therefore problems with clicking (V21). I could tell you that at the same time I’ve seen precice patients screaming in pain when elongating their nails….

Last, I notice that in this forum we tend to go about the nails as if it was a soccer team…. My nail is better than yours… your nail is shiiite. My doctor is the best, your doctor is a c..t

Guys, if you’re being paid to support a nail or a doctor, ok that’s your job. If not, don’t be stupid. Don’t write these statement that new prospective patient get all hung up to if you don’t really know things. Just keep that Shiite to yourself or provide evidence behind your statements


Very well said, misinformation is the exact thing that makes people think we want to saw our legs in half to grow 5 mm. No place for that on this forum.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 7:22 pm
#16

There is a lot of misinformation but one nugget of truth here is that the clicking nails can be extremely painful for some patients.  I've heard of MUA (manipulation under anesthesia) being done, in which the doctor clicks 5mm in an operating room while patients are unconscious.

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Posted on Jan 17, 2023, 9:56 am
#17

Quote from: OzBoy39 on January 16, 2023, 10:23:01 AMMate, I’m curious really. What makes you say those things about the Gnail or Betzbone.
It sounds to me that it’s You spreading misinformation here. And you’re new to the forum and haven’t had any surgery yet so, why throwing out non senso al things that misinform people?

You do realise the fact that with precice you ain’t moving your butt for at least 3 months yeah?
Whereas with any weight bearing nail (yes they are fully weight bearing) at worst you move around with crutches from week 2. (At best you go without crutches that soon… being careful).

Nail breakage at least with the Gnail are rare to non existent.
Betzbone nail first version had this issue, but then they changed material and haven’t heard of that breaking since.

The “torturous” clicking you refer to is just simply not true. You can ask the 8 or 10 current Gnail patients on this forum. I’ve only ever heard of 1 patient having pre consolidation issues and therefore problems with clicking (V21). I could tell you that at the same time I’ve seen precice patients screaming in pain when elongating their nails….

Last, I notice that in this forum we tend to go about the nails as if it was a soccer team…. My nail is better than yours… your nail is shiiite. My doctor is the best, your doctor is a c..t

Guys, if you’re being paid to support a nail or a doctor, ok that’s your job. If not, don’t be stupid. Don’t write these statement that new prospective patient get all hung up to if you don’t really know things. Just keep that Shiite to yourself or provide evidence behind your statements



He's obviously biased towards the US market/Precice.  It's wrong to say that G-nail and Betzbone aren't weight-bearing.  If you say otherwise, you're literally just arguing semantics.  We all already know that in comparison to Precice, G-nail and Betzbone have higher weight capacity - enough to have greater functionality sooner which is all you really need. 

With regards to weight-bearing, the only question you have to ask yourself is: would you rather want to worry about the percentage of load you have to put on your legs each step you take, use a wheelchair, and be out of work for 3-5 months (Precice) or be able to be on crutches and ready to fly back home after a couple weeks (G-nail or Betzbone)?

Saying that G-nail/Betzbone are more prone to breakage doesn't mean anything without a source.  What's the context?  Was it a device-related complication or non-device complication?  Nail breakage can be a function of either.  You could say the exact same thing about Precice nails; there are cases of Precice patients out there with their nails breaking. 

Nail breakage happening with either Precice or Betzbone/G-nail is most likely due to patient non-compliance.  If anything, the material used in Betzbone at least is cobalt chrome which is more resistant to nail bending as referenced in this study: https://www.jlimblengthrecon.org/article.asp?issn=2455-3719;year=2022;volume=8;issue=1;spage=73;epage=77;aulast=Maai

"Goharian and Abdullah investigated the properties of titanium and cobalt-chrome alloys and found cobalt-chrome alloys to have higher resistance to axial compression, bending, and torsion"

And about the osteolysis, again no source was referenced. 

And yeah I agree about the soccer team analogy.  I don't know why everyone resorts to d*ck measuring contests between these nails.  They're both good but not perfect; they get the job done in the majority of cases.  Overthinking the differences between the two is an easy recipe to make yourself go crazy especially since there's always the possibility of marketing bias wherever you look

Assuming a good doctor for either case, the only trade you have to consider with either nail is possibly more pain from clicking (G-nail/Betzbone) vs limited weight-bearing (Precice).  That decision is completely subjective and depends on your lifestyle and tolerance levels.

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Posted on Jan 17, 2023, 11:11 am
#18

I think all these nails are suboptimal and you’ve just got to accept each with their flaws, if planning LL in the near future. The guys who got Stryde were just in the right place at the right time..

For what it’s worth, clicking for me was enjoyable and the highlight of my day. It felt like cking a gun.

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Posted on Jan 18, 2023, 1:07 am
#19

Quote from: sierra on January 17, 2023, 11:11:23 AMI think all these nails are suboptimal and you’ve just got to accept each with their flaws, if planning LL in the near future. The guys who got Stryde were just in the right place at the right time..

For what it’s worth, clicking for me was enjoyable and the highlight of my day. It felt like cking a gun.


thats badass. stryde will return as the tech exists and is """"affordable""""  its just a minor thing they have to knockout and im unsure why its taking so long.. its just a question of how long will it be as its already been a ridiculous amount of time and it keeps taking LONGER

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Posted on Jan 18, 2023, 9:24 pm
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Someone can just call Nuvasive and ask them.  Like hey...there's hundreds of people waiting to pull the trigger on this.  I think Nuvasive is just hoping everyone gets impatient and concedes to the Precice 2, absolving the company of any liability or future plans.

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