Quote from: soitchi on December 09, 2019, 06:09:46 AMAnd that's exactly what I'm not talking about either, I know what level of DOMS you're talking about, a little bit of soreness even after destroying your body the day before because you're consistently lifting. This isn't DOMS that you can kill with a cold shower and doesn't get in the way of everyday life. I've taken time off before and like those in those Reddit posts, the DOMS on muscles that hasn't been active like previously is not just a bit of soreness, it's extremely sore, your legs are stiff/can't bend, same with arms they stay in t-rex position, etc. If you skip leg day for a few weeks and go back in heavy to failure, you're going to wish you didn't.
I'm not talking about soreness, I'm talking DOMS exactly like these: stiff/can't bend, arms super hard to move, body all painful and limited mobility, etc... No one stops 2 or 3 weeks just for soreness.
Yet...it is not even close to the pain I felt during LL. I didn't need Opioids for DOMS, I did FOR MONTHS during LL. Big difference.
To be fair with you, reading the Stryde's diaries it seems what they have is more similar to DOMS than the excruciating pain me and my fellow LLérs had to endure 7 years ago with Betzbone1.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 08, 2019, 02:08:23 PMAs an LL veteran, what's your opinion on LL veterans who insist LL is not a traumatic, painful experience, comparable to being the "hardest thing you will ever do in your life", but rather totally doable and not a big deal in terms of pain, trauma (such as Polycrates who did 6 cm on tibias)? Would you say different people experience LL rather differently, or rather that those people are underestimating/lying?
Humans generally forget how their worst pains have felt like women who gave birth. There will be LL patients who have/had a lot of physical pain like BetzandLiberator and there will be patients who had physical pains which in the aftermath didn't feel too bad even if they might not have thought so when they were in pain.
In both cases LL is mentally challenging because it disables you for multiple months and in some cases even years.
I don't think that LL is the worst a human could ever go through if that person is 1) mentally stable enough 2) optimistic 3) disciplined and in the best case 4) has family and/or friends who care for him/her during this time
After all I do believe that most LL patients will have rather different experiences even with the same surgery. With some pains walking is still possible while with others it is not. Some last one day others for months. One patient can have mostly ankle problems, the other mostly knee problems, and many more examples. Certain pains are worse than others but not all LL patients will experience everything so some come to the conclusion that it wasn't that bad after all. But again I would only recommend LL for people who are objectively short and have a problem with it. To make a compromise with your health/athleticism is not worth it if you are average and above. Think about all the physical demanding things you still want to do in life and that you might not be able to try those after LL.
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 08, 2019, 11:45:48 PMWe never know. But I'm doing great 7 years later. So much that I'm considering tibias.
You say you don't recommend LL to anyone who isn't below average height. Yet you think about doing another surgery despite already being average in your country. Why?
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 09, 2019, 09:58:37 AMYou say you don't recommend LL to anyone who isn't below average height. Yet you think about doing another surgery despite already being average in your country. Why?
I have been living in the US, not in my country for the last couple of years.
Even though it would be nice to be average in the US too, my main reason to do tibia would be less about the height and more about getting my tibia/femur ratio back.
Visually the difference is negligible but it makes Squatting and some other exercises much harder. Even though I can squat more than before LL it is not as easy, as I have to compensate the short tibia putting my chest and head forward. So far my back is great because I have great form but it could get harder with age. Some Yoga poses got harder too.
Also, some doctors say that you can get arthritis down the line if your ratio is too far from 0.80 (mine is 0.67 now).
But I'm just considering the options (I had a consultation with Betz and I'll have one with Mahboubian) because:
1) I have extra money for this,
2) And have a job that gives me extra free time to do it.
But I'm not sure I'll do it. Now it's really a cosmetic thing. Before it was a necessity.
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 09, 2019, 07:32:10 AMI'm not talking about soreness, I'm talking DOMS exactly like these: stiff/can't bend, arms super hard to move, body all painful and limited mobility, etc... No one stops 2 or 3 weeks just for soreness.
Yet...it is not even close to the pain I felt during LL. I didn't need Opioids for DOMS, I did FOR MONTHS during LL. Big difference.
To be fair with you, reading the Stryde's diaries it seems what they have is more similar to DOMS than the excruciating pain me and my fellow LLérs had to endure 7 years ago with Betzbone1.
In my first post I mentioned DOMS this bad is only a few days, the few week stuff is if you were inactive then jumped back into heavy lifting.
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 09, 2019, 10:15:23 AMI have been living in the US, not in my country for the last couple of years.
Even though it would be nice to be average in the US too, my main reason to do tibia would be less about the height and more about getting my tibia/femur ratio back.
So your after the validation of being tall aren't ya?
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 09, 2019, 10:15:23 AMVisually the difference is negligible but it makes Squatting and some other exercises much harder. Even though I can squat more than before LL it is not as easy, as I have to compensate the short tibia putting my chest and head forward. So far my back is great because I have great form but it could get harder with age. Some Yoga poses got harder too.
How about DON'T SQUAT after extending 4 inches of a single damn bone!
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 09, 2019, 10:15:23 AMAlso, some doctors say that you can get arthritis down the line if your ratio is too far from 0.80 (mine is 0.67 now).
Ah of course, after doing LL and having the probability of arthritis increased tenfold you'd wanna have LL again to prevent it.
Sublime logic, totally makes sense in your head I'm sure.
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 09, 2019, 10:15:23 AMBut I'm just considering the options (I had a consultation with Betz and I'll have one with Mahboubian) because:
1) I have extra money for this,
2) And have a job that gives me extra free time to do it.
But I'm not sure I'll do it. Now it's really a cosmetic thing. Before it was a necessity.
Are you sure you aren't convincing yourself? That's a lot of mental gymnastics, to deal with such an amount of cognitive dissonance. I hope you don't start throwing turd at me just because I considered your lofty endeavor from a different perspective.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on December 09, 2019, 08:54:08 PMHow about DON'T SQUAT after extending 4 inches of a single damn bone!
Shows how much you don't understand about this. Squats and other compound exercises for the leg are the BEST things for any one after LL. It's one of the reasons my recovery was so good.
And don't be retarded, read what I said: I can Squat a lot and have pretty good form.
But now I have the body that is not optimized for squats.
Read a little bit about weightlifting and LL before freaking out as a little bitch.
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 10, 2019, 02:19:19 AMShows how much you don't understand about this. Squats and other compound exercises for the leg are the BEST things for any one after LL. It's one of the reasons my recovery was so good.
And don't be retarded, read what I said: I can Squat a lot and have pretty good form.
But now I have the body that is not optimized for squats.
Read a little bit about weightlifting and LL before freaking out as a little bitch.
You:
And some people wonder why the majority of LL veterans do not bother writing a diary or writing in the forum... 
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 12, 2019, 12:29:22 AMAnd some people wonder why the majority of LL veterans do not bother writing a diary or writing in the forum...
What a dubious insinuation, they don't because they've moved on from wasting countless hours in niche forums like this that doesn't encourage growth nor assuage indignance. The sole reason for such niche forums is to provide information pertaining to height and surgery so that it leads to life changing endeavors.
Post surgery most are too busy enjoying life while compartmentalizing any draw backs this surgery will inevitably bring about. While others such as yourself are too narcissistic to appreciate any increase in height (undertaking your body went through) that they'll abuse their body till their hearts content hitherto wind up reaping what you sow.
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