The fact that height is mainly determined by genes is a logical or genetic fact?

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Quote from: Tenet on December 13, 2021, 09:37:33 PMSo hypothetically, if someone only ate cookies and nothing else during all his growing years, how much height will be lost?

Haha, I don't know. I could guess.

If you had two copies of the same person and everything was the same except copy 1 ate only cookies and copy 2 ate whole foods, copy 2's obviously getting more nutrients so more balanced hormones --> better growth hormone production. Could be millimeters, maybe a centimeter? Absolutely just guessing.

I remember reading about a girl who ate nothing but chicken nuggets all her life. I wonder how she stacks up to her predicted height.

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Quote from: Gradescender on December 14, 2021, 08:54:11 AMHaha, I don't know. I could guess.

If you had two copies of the same person and everything was the same except copy 1 ate only cookies and copy 2 ate whole foods, copy 2's obviously getting more nutrients so more balanced hormones --> better growth hormone production. Could be millimeters, maybe a centimeter? Absolutely just guessing.

I remember reading about a girl who ate nothing but chicken nuggets all her life. I wonder how she stacks up to her predicted height.

Even proper vegan diets stunt height by 1.2" on average.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9648849/Children-trendy-vegan-diets-1-2-inches-SHORTER-average.html#:~:text=Putting%20your%20children%20on%20a,than%20those%20who%20eat%20meat.

Can't imagine what a true fuked up diet could do.

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hi guys, I too am convinced that nutrition and sport have influenced my final height, even if you say they have little influence, because most of it is due to genetics; but if, for example, we think of the boys who live in countries where there are wars and where there is serious malnutrition and various diseases, in any case many of these boys become quite tall and also with beautiful bodies, because genetically they are like this;
Unfortunately I will never be sure of how much it could have changed, if I had done a lot of sport and ate better and more, we can only think that maybe the difference would have been a few cm, at least if we think this we are better mentally 😂

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Quote from: Tenet on December 14, 2021, 11:32:34 AMEven proper vegan diets stunt height by 1.2" on average.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9648849/Children-trendy-vegan-diets-1-2-inches-SHORTER-average.html#:~:text=Putting%20your%20children%20on%20a,than%20those%20who%20eat%20meat.

Can't imagine what a true fuked up diet could do.

Oof, that's interesting.

Quote from: Scarface92 on December 14, 2021, 01:47:37 PMUnfortunately I will never be sure of how much it could have changed, if I had done a lot of sport and ate better and more, we can only think that maybe the difference would have been a few cm, at least if we think this we are better mentally 😂

I agree, no use dwelling in the past and ruminating over woulda, coulda, shouldas. I made this mistake and let myself get pretty depressed over it. I wondered how I could look and feel now if I treated my body properly in my growing years. Still do, but fighting to not let it get to me. Your current happiness should only depend on things that are within your control moving forward. And the lessons learned from your mistakes can be applied to your future children if you have any.

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it is true, it is useless to think about the past, but it is difficult not to. I understand your anger, I also have these thoughts, but we are not sure that much would have changed, as you said too, maybe we would have been only 1cm taller, or maybe 6cm taller, but we can't know, and maybe this is even worse, because at least we had a confirmation and we put our soul in peace, instead we think about it all the time!

for example, even if now we do some analysis of some specific values, like hormones and other things, we get current values, not adolescent values right? Sorry I am not a doctor so i apologize if i am saying wrong things, mine is just a question, thank you.

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A lot of people have touched on things like sleep (which is huge), malnutrition, sports etc. These are all true, I’d like to add another potential and lesser known cause of not reaching your maximum potential height.
Excess fat signals the body to aromatize testosterone into estrogen at higher rates. Estrogen signals     for the growth plates to close. This is why women stop growing earlier than men. Being obese or just overweight during puberty will limit your growth.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/obesity-unhealthy-and-unmanly

https://www.blaineywellness.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/testosterone-and-aromatization-how-to-avoid-excess-estrogrogen-production.pdf

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/155/8/2892/2433298#62306361

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Also a side note to malnutrition, low protein intake specifically will reduce growth factors. This is good for lowering cancer risk, and bad for increasing height.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3988204/