Before about 16 days i past last xray actually is all ok i grow 7cm for now and i feel great and massive difference on femur is to long now, I don't know why is cut like that but is all ok
This topic has been a source of discussions lately and we felt the need for a response.
During his presence in Turkey for months, we have been providing care and attention for this patient almost every day. We have fulfilled his LL-related and other needs and requirements, doing the best we can do. He has also been extremely grateful to our team for a long time. His satisfaction and gratitude was enough of a reason for us. If we only pursued profit and making Money, then we would be dismissing him for all those months after his limb lengthening surgery in Turkey. But we responded to his each and every request for help, day and night. We did this due to the sense of responsibility towards the patient, but also due to the friendship ties between himself and ourselves.
We researched and personally visited each of the choices of dozens of hotels and apartments to get the best deals available for the patients. For his physiotherapy, we arranged an individual physiotherapist and separately a physiotherapy center. We delivered the items he requested us to buy, right to his hotel room/flat. We visited him multiple times and had long and pleasant chats. Each time we saw the smile on his face and we went on.
When problems related to his surgery arose, we again didn’t leave him alone. But we don’t have technical knowledge about the breaking of Precice nail or screws or how the bone cutting (osteotomy) is performed. When surgery related problems were happening, we were in continuous communication with himself and the surgeon. During this process, we took him to the doctor multiple times. When the patient demanded a second opinion, we took him to a different doctor that we work with. In all situations related or not related to limb lengthening surgery, during all these months we didn’t cut communication with him. He saw a third, different surgeon in Turkey, totally with his own initiative. When he didn’t get a result that he wanted from this doctor as well, he decided to go to Greece. After he left Turkey, we kept communication for the first weeks. However, when this communication went into unexpected directions we didn’t reply.
Of course he just wants the best for himself. We also wish that he feels happy and healthy in the same way. When we choose the doctors for cooperation, we pay attention to their experience in the field, knowledge of English and having academic researches and works in limb lengthening field. We also don’t leave the patient on their own when there is a complication. However, WE cannot decide that what has happened is a complication, or a negligence. We have heard opinions of our other doctors on this matter as well, according to which the operation technique wasn’t faulty.
Right now the process of court is going on. We hope and expect justice to take place and wish that all these take us into a better place when it ends.
(on behalf of Wannabetaller medical consultation team)
wannabe taller. Yes i was grateful to you for helping me out things like hotels, making sure i was comfortable.
You did not arrange the physiotherapy clinic i arranged that, none of your doctors are connected to any physio.
But my goal was there for safe limb lengthening and then when things started going wrong you had no control over Ozgur. For those of you considering using wannabe taller look at my X-rays and you can see i am suing for 5 counts of negligence.
What would happen if it was you?
you had a delayed union, no healing, your hardware was failing, and they turned around and said we saw nothing wrong. What would have happened if you had no money, to see another doctor for help or hire a lawyer? you would have got a free second opinion from their other doctor whos best interest is them not getting sued for negligence and not admitting fault
Now i ask you, do you want to take that risk now that you know it has happened?
Wannabe taller I told you i had problems with the NSAIDS, but you couldn't get me more then 1 box of tramadol in 3 months could you, why?
What did you think when he asked me to lengthen at 1.8 mm per day? when we saw your other doctor he said that was too much remember?
What was the aftercare doctor ozgur gave me?
remember in he first month? when your experienced doctor ozgur said dont worry about the broken screw, the nail is secure and thats not causing pain.
Its there in the X-rays i posted, your doctors said i was healing, no problem. You only have two doctors, one that i am suing, and the other who you help get work. And four doctors i spoke to who said its delayed union and after 2 months there was still no healing, and needs medical intervention or will probably go on to non-union.
Wannabe taller i saw the first limb lengthening doctor in turkey and yes he gave me the answer i didn't want to hear, he said you have delayed union, that broken screw is causing instability and pain, your stryde is not straight and these doctors are inexperienced and cannot get work, thats why they need a marketing company. A good doctor in turkey doesn't need a marketing company because they are always busy. i got sucked in by wannabe tallers marketing.
As soon as i left turkey, you had no interest in my health, dr Ozgur never asked to see an xray again until he knew he was getting sued 6 months later.
If dr ozgur was a good and experienced surgeon i would have never been suing you and him.
It is what it is guys, and wannabe taller know dr ozgur actions. if i stayed in turkey their doctors didn't have the experience to suggest to shorten to get union. in fact they didn't even know anything was wrong, or did they? or they just didn't want to admit to it, either way this is completely unprofessional, unacceptable and damn right dangerous. God knows what would have happened if i didnt get help elsewhere.
i am suing wannabe taller as well, because they sold me this surgeon who was meant to be good and experienced, who seriously damaged me, almost crippling me. wannabe taller profited out of this and kept their commission. To me this means they are equally responsible, since After what happened if they were decent people they would have got rid of this surgeon, and helped me get the most important thing ,bone union and fix the problems eg. broken screws because they were to small.
This is what happens basically in Turkey.
wannabe taller will tell you how their doctors are the best and the most experienced , they will help you with all your personal needs, and appointments etc. but unfortunately when you have something go wrong which is the doctors fault, they say they are not doctors and then get you a second opinion ,from their other doctor whom works with them says you are fine, even if you are not and then in their eyes if you fall apart they are free of blame.
if you like wannabetallers marketing and think their doctors are good, by all means make your own decision and go for it.
But if a friend asked me about wannabe taller, i would ask them if they like to play russian roulette,? because i did and lost.
Quote from: becometall_tr on January 20, 2020, 06:17:12 PMThis topic has been a source of discussions lately and we felt the need for a response.
(on behalf of Wannabetaller medical consultation team)
The only reason why a company need or feel the need to explain about a bad situation is when they know they have done wrong to one of their client. For this one, wannabetaller totally F-up so please don’t try to explain yourself and just apologize. A human being almost became crippled because of your lack of knowledge, lucky he is strong will and kept fighting. CLL is no joke and is one of the most difficult thing one will go through. So wannabetaller stop thinking of the $$$ and focus on your client needs.
To all thinking of CLL that are thinking of using wannabetaller, they are not doctors nor have medical degrees. They are just a company out to get your money and trap you with somewhat false information. They are just a medical tour company like a travel tour company that don’t really care about their client because once the money is gone so will they.
I feel your pain, I got tibia LL done in Singapore by Dr Singh Sarbjit and I had to get correction done by an actual LL doctor, Dr Lee in Korea.
What happened to me was I got an infection in my left leg at the distraction site, it was actually swelling up within the first 3 days of surgery but the doctor said its normal and to me it could very well be.
But after a couple weeks it turned out to be an infection, maybe I should have asked for more antibiotics? Or maybe the doctor should have prescribed it..
Anyways there are 2 types of infections, 1 that happens at the skin level, and 1 where it is bad enough that it reaches the bone and ultimately the stryde nail. And bacteria loves metal, once it reaches the metal you're f'ed.
Apparently Dr Singh Sarbjit works in Myanmar as well at some hospital there (random I know) so instead of paying the super high Singapore costs I went to Myanmar (out of all places..) to get the infection removed.
At first it looked ok, Dr Singh Sarbjit also wrote down in an official letter that there was no infection at the bone site whatsoever and it was only skin level.
I even took IV antibiotics + almost 8-10 weeks of deep bone antibiotics just to be sure.
But even with all this, I was getting this weird sharp pain in my leg. There was nothing noticeable outside but there was a sharp pain inside. And the x ray shows a dark spot inside my bone. Which is very weird because there shouldnt' be any dark spots in the bone itself.
Dr Singh kept telling me no infection no infection, it is the x ray machine, it is my imagination, it is blah blah blah.
Long story short, it was an infection, and a bad one too. It looked like it has been sticking to the metal for months and eating away at the inside of my bone. It was basically a chronic infection that came about from the surgery itself.
I found this out after I went to Korea to see Dr Lee. Actually Dr Lee was treating me for something else that I didnt even know. Apparently the ankle screw that connects the fibula to the tibia wasn't even connected.
Dr Singh had drilled like 4 times lol, in my right leg ankle, and in all 4 tries he basically left the screw hanging in space. The screw looked like it touched the tibia, but at the very edges, so I had to get that treated, you dont want your fibula to be uneven to your tibia.
For anyone looking to do tibia LL, don't believe any doctor that says "your fibula doesnt matter, it is a useless bone" this just shows what an ignorant idiot doctor this person is. "ahem ahem Dr Singh ahem ahem"
But while I was getting my fibula fixed by Dr Lee (both legs by the way), he cut open the area I told him was hurting and found the infection. It basically had melted away that part of my bone into mush. Crazy right.. that sort of infection only happens after months and months, I saw Dr Lee around the 3 month period. AND this was after all the antibiotics I took and the additional surgery to clean out the infected site by that idiot doctor.
Dr Singh the whole time said no infection, he was even the surgeon that cleaned out the infection site and he said no bone infection, everything was basically no no no, I am never wrong, all other doctors suck (man you guys should hear what he says about Paley and Dr Lee and all these other doctors) (he is f'king hilarious, talks so much , but at the end of the day he is the con artist himself)
But yea, I am finishing up my treatment at Dr Lee's, basically I needed to remove my stryde nail and use an external fixator. EF for right leg to pull down my tibia, EF for left leg for both stabilization, lengthening/shortening if I wanted, and to pull down my fibula.
Funny thing is, I met ANOTHER patient here in Korea who Dr Signh f'ed over as well. This guy had the exact same problem, the doctor put some "screws" or some screws for show lol in the ankle and it didnt do anything, just a piece of metal hanging there.
He has to fix his fibula both legs, one of this stryde was bent or something in the tibia, and in the femur, my god, his femur stryde wasn't even on tight enough, it was loose and he went to Dr Signh for x ray and Dr Singh would lie about the length of his femur distraction. Now his right leg femur is longer than his left leg lol. Dr Singh would lie about the x ray and then he went to another hospital to do additional x rays and found out he was being lied too.
Just a few other points I forgot to mention: one of the large screws was facing the wrong direction in my left tibia (discovered by dr lee), if you search my posts (with x ray pics) you will see that my left tibia wasn't even straight, it was crooked, also my knee joint pain was due to the screws being too high (mainly wrong position in my left tibia.. was he drunk? I dunno? I mean I did go have surgery after a major Singapore holiday.. maybe that fool was hungover).
Let's just disregard my main points above, number 1 infection, number 2 no tibia/fibula connection with screw, there was even a whole host of problems (crooked leg due to dr Singh not aligning the top and bottom bone correctly), knee pain due to the screws being in odd positions poking into my knee ligament, and screws facing the wrong way (which we can all say oh whatever its still in the leg right?) but a skilled doctor wouldnt make these mistakes, less drill 4 times into my right ankle.. and not even get the fibula and tiba together.. geeze.. need glasses?
So yea.. I'm leaving Korea but he will be coming here to fix his problems as well.
Dr Singh is crazy for sure, this guy talks so much , and he makes so many mistakes. I wonder how many patients of his will have any kind of deformations down the line because of his inability to fix the fibula to the tibia.
For most of us who just recently did the surgery, there is actually not much pain at all if the fibula is shorter, BUT it is PROVEN that in later stages of life after this misalignment is locked in place after bone consolidation and you keep walking and running with this, there is a much higher probability of deformity.
Long story short people, save your money and go with a reputable doctor, I've met people from India, China, Singapore, (there was a patient from Greece but didnt get to meet), etc at Dr Lee's because of other doctor's lack of skill and knowledge.
You want a doctor that provides stryde at a cheap price? Don't. Stryde is USELESS if the doctor CAN'T IMPLANT IT RIGHT.
Just save your money and go with the reputable doctors... In Asia, I would recommend Dr Lee HANDS DOWN. He aint cheap but damn hes good. Europe no clue sorry. America.. had friends go to Paley and heard hes Amazing as well. Choose wisely people.
wow you are lucky you didn't end up getting your leg amputated! lucky you found out before it was too late i hope you sue the bastard!
Dr Ozgur karakoyun was still expensive 55000 euros and he still was completely inexperienced and incompetent, but wannabe taller lied to me saying how good and experienced he was.
i have only just got off crutches after 8 months on stryde nail after blowing all that money on extra physio and surgeries. and if it wasn't for giotikas i would have ended up non union with broken screws crippled for life. in fact next week i am going to have taken out the screws that ozgur put in my left hip as well because after ozgur replaced the broken left one in turkey, he didn't do a good job and the end is sticking out the bone in to the muscle, irritating the hell out of me making me walk with a limp.
so all in all i have had to have 5 out of the 8 screws replaced that ozgur put in. if you see wannabetallers comment above they dont take responsibility, they say they dont know why the screws precise supplied failed, even though i had stated the screws that had broken or come out, when i was operated on to have them replaced, my surgeon found them to be to small.
people have to be so careful there are many incompetent doctors who do LL since its getting popular, to make money who dont care, and are so arrogant and wont admit fault.
Yea man it’s no joke, if I didn’t follow my gut feeling and go to dr lee, if I had followed dr Singh’s instruction and kept thinking it is fine, it is the machine, it is some excuse other than an infection, yes my leg would have been in more serious trouble.
Some doctors out there.. seriously irresponsible.
It’s up to us as patients to hold them responsible by blasting our stories on other people who “market” for them. So when people search through the threads they will see multiple sides of the doctor. Not just the marketed version.
And for dr Singh I was fortunate to meet other of his patients who had exactly the same problem as mine (no fibula to fibula fixed) and they had other problems as well. I know this other patient did the surgery around the same time as me. So it’s not like oh.. this only happens once every 10 years. I am a super safe doctor, you were just unlucky. This is wow 2 patients almost same month had problems with the same doctor, who knows how many others there are.
So I know I am not a one off. I know this wasn’t a one off oopsie I was hungover to do surgery so I couldn’t do it well for 1 patient excuse. This doctor has repeatedly conned multiple patients. So I know damn well I am not alone against this doctor.
Contact the country/state/province’s medical board for any doctor that has done you wrong.
Keep all emails, photos, diaries, exchanges, receipts, x rays, etc to prove your point, or else it will be a he said she said situation.
Contact a lawyer if you so please, but do understand without substantial evidence it’ll be hard to win.
So during surgery keep all contact and all questions to email, ask multiple times, make sure to get everything in writing.
Get doctor to write an official letter if they say no infection.
Get x rays done at other hospitals other than your doctor’s if you have doubt.
Basically you need to get everything and anything in written or photo or some form that isn’t only “spoken”.
And if possible, try to find other patients so you know when they had their problem and you guys can share resources. The more people come together, the stronger you will be, and the safer future LL patients will be as well. Win win for everyone except the con artists.
update i went to have a consultation to have my screws removed tommorow on my left side that doctor ozgur put in , on further examination the pain and irritation on my back and hip were not from the screws but from poor insertion and technique of the nail by dr ozgar. the end of the nail itself is irritating the muscle and tendon giving me pain while i walk and making my back seize up. so i have to walk around with this pain until the nail is removed. also once the nail is removed i will have to do an MRI to see if the tendon had been damaged and will need repair by surgery. doctor ozgur is completely incompetent and inexperienced i wander how he managed to pass his medical degree.
I'm not folow from start, did you menaged same height with lengthening or made surgery and remove fixators
yes look at the xrays you can see the height and the nail is stryde not fixators
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