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Oh, stop splitting hairs! Dr Monegal has many diaries because he has many patients.

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 31, 2017, 10:14:45 PMMonegal seems to force many of his patients to write diaries.

This is not true. Don't you think that the truth would come out sooner or later? Any patient ( and I mean patients that are real, not a bunch of new users from this forum ) would come out and unmask Monegal as soon as they leave Barcelona. The thing is, most of the people who create diaries were already avid readers from this forum. The reason why Monegal has so many diaries is because many people from this forum choose Monegal, partly because we have one troll from this forum that accuses Moonegal of every possible malpractice and most of the patients know its NOT TRUE so it ends up with them defending their doctor. Who would you rather believe? A troll or a patient?

My reason to create a diary was to share my experience with other future LLer's (because I know how helpful it is!) but also to give some feedback about Monegal's approach to LL. I don't put Monegal on a pedestal, he has flaws and I've mentioned them. Actually, if you're looking for a perfect doctor for this procedure, forget it. But he has the skill to do a good job with yours legs and its exactly that what he did with mines.

Btw, I believe Guichet is just as good, the problem with Guichet is his nail and his price. But maybe LLSouthAmerica can provide more information about Guichet rather than talk about Monegal.

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Quote from: Auron on September 01, 2017, 12:27:11 AMThis is not true. Don't you think that the truth would come out sooner or later? Any patient ( and I mean patients that are real, not a bunch of new users from this forum ) would come out and unmask Monegal as soon as they leave Barcelona. The thing is, most of the people who create diaries were already avid readers from this forum. The reason why Monegal has so many diaries is because many people from this forum choose Monegal, partly because we have one troll from this forum that accuses Moonegal of every possible malpractice and most of the patients know its NOT TRUE so it ends up with them defending their doctor. Who would you rather believe? A troll or a patient?

My reason to create a diary was to share my experience with other future LLer's (because I know how helpful it is!) but also to give some feedback about Monegal's approach to LL. I don't put Monegal on a pedestal, he has flaws and I've mentioned them. Actually, if you're looking for a perfect doctor for this procedure, forget it. But he has the skill to do a good job with yours legs and its exactly that what he did with mines.

Btw, I believe Guichet is just as good, the problem with Guichet is his nail and his price. But maybe LLSouthAmerica can provide more information about Guichet rather than talk about Monegal.

You have always seem as one the reasonable mongeal patients. If it was one or two defending mongeal it would be one thing but why are there so many people coming to defend mongeal. Let's use Guichet as an example South America has not gone in any effort to defend him. In fact quite the opposite he posts about many of the negative aspects of the doctor. And guichet has been bashed a lot here on the forum but I don't see a bunch of guichet patients coming out of the wood work to defend him. Why is it that this is only seen with mongeal patients? I don't believe mongeal is a butcher but he certainly is a polarizing figure in this forum.

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I wonder if someone Will be that Brave ( stupid) to go to Guitchet after reading Unicorns diary.

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Quote from: Bander72 on September 01, 2017, 12:42:41 AMYou have always seem as one the reasonable mongeal patients. If it was one or two defending mongeal it would be one thing but why are there so many people coming to defend mongeal. Let's use Guichet as an example South America has not gone in any effort to defend him. In fact quite the opposite he posts about many of the negative aspects of the doctor. And guichet has been bashed a lot here on the forum but I don't see a bunch of guichet patients coming out of the wood work to defend him. Why is it that this is only seen with mongeal patients? I don't believe mongeal is a butcher but he certainly is a polarizing figure in this forum.

It's simple, there is no troll accusing Guichet with false statements, therefore, there is no reason for any Guichet patient to come out and defend him.

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One question for you all: if Monegal is so interested in self-promotion, why doesn't he have a webpage like other doctors do?

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Quote from: Bander72 on September 01, 2017, 12:42:41 AMYou have always seem as one the reasonable mongeal patients. If it was one or two defending mongeal it would be one thing but why are there so many people coming to defend mongeal. Let's use Guichet as an example South America has not gone in any effort to defend him. In fact quite the opposite he posts about many of the negative aspects of the doctor. And guichet has been bashed a lot here on the forum but I don't see a bunch of guichet patients coming out of the wood work to defend him. Why is it that this is only seen with mongeal patients? I don't believe mongeal is a butcher but he certainly is a polarizing figure in this forum.

I will tell you why. He uses cult brainwashing techniques. Read about that.

Thought reform is an umbrella term for any number of manipulative techniques used to get people to do something they wouldn't otherwise do. The concept of thought reform itself is a controversial one -- some say it's mere propaganda designed to scare people away from new religions and political movements. But most psychologists believe that cult brainwashing techniques, which are similar to techni­ques used in prisoner interrogation, do change a person's thought processes. In cult recruiting and indoctrination, these techniques include:

Deception - Cults trick new recruits into joining the group and committing themselves to a cause or lifestyle they don't fully understand.
Cults mislead new recruits/members as to the true expectations and activities of the group.
Cults may hide any signs of illegal, immoral or hyper-controlling practices until the recruit has fully immersed himself in the group.
A cult leader may use members' altered consciousness, induced by activities like meditation, chanting or drug use, to increase vulnerability to suggestion.

Isolation - Cults cut off members from the outside world (and even each other) to produce intense introspection, confusion, loss of perspective and a distorted sense of reality. The members of the cult become the person's only social contact and feedback mechanism.
Cults may keep new recruits from talking to other new recruits. They may only be allowed to speak with long-committed members for a period of time.
Cults may not allow unsupervised contact with the "outside world." In this way, there is no chance for a "reality check" or validation of a new member's concerns regarding the group.
Cults typically instill the belief that "outsiders" (non-cult members) are dangerous and wrong.

Induced Dependency - Cults demand absolute, unquestioning devotion, loyalty and submission. A cult member's sense of self is systematically destroyed. Ultimately, feelings of worthlessness and "evil" become associated with independence and critical thinking, and feelings of warmth and love become associated with unquestioning submission.
The leader typically controls every minute of a member's waking time. There is no free time to think or analyze.
Members are told what to eat, what to wear, how to feed their children, when to sleep ... the member is removed from all decision-making.
Any special talents the member has are immediately devalued and criticized in order to confuse the member's sense of self-worth.
Any doubts, assertiveness or remaining ties to the outside world are punished by the group through criticism, guilt and alienation. Questions and doubts are systematically "turned around" so that the doubter feels wrong, worthless, "evil" for questioning. The member is loved again when he renounces those doubts and submits to the will of the leader.
The member may be deprived of adequate sustenance and/or sleep so the mind becomes muddled.
The leader may randomly alternate praise and love with scorn and punishment to keep the member off-balance and confused and instill immense self-doubt. The leader may offer occasional gifts and special privileges to encourage continued submission.
The member may be pressured to publicly confess sins, after which he is viciously ridiculed by the group for being evil and unworthy. He is loved again when he acknowledges that his devotion to the cult is the only thing that will bring him salvation.

Dread - Once complete dependence is established, the member must retain the leader's good favor or else his life falls apart.
The leader may punish doubt or insubordination with physical or emotional trauma.
Once all ties to the outside world have been cut, the member feels like his only family is the group, and he has nowhere else to go.
Access to necessities depends on the leader's favor. The member must "behave" or he may not get food, water, social interaction or protection from the outside world.
The member may believe that only group members are "saved," so if he leaves, he will face eternal damnation.

Indoctrination, or thought reform, is a long process that never really ends. Members are continually subjected to these techniques -- it's part of daily life in a cult. Some adjust well to it after a period of time, embracing their new role as "group member" and casting aside their old sense of independence. For others, it's a perpetually stressful existence.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult4.htm

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Quote from: Datum on September 01, 2017, 01:20:24 AMI will tell you why. He uses cult brainwashing techniques. Read about that.

Thought reform is an umbrella term for any number of manipulative techniques used to get people to do something they wouldn't otherwise do. The concept of thought reform itself is a controversial one -- some say it's mere propaganda designed to scare people away from new religions and political movements. But most psychologists believe that cult brainwashing techniques, which are similar to techni­ques used in prisoner interrogation, do change a person's thought processes. In cult recruiting and indoctrination, these techniques include:

Deception - Cults trick new recruits into joining the group and committing themselves to a cause or lifestyle they don't fully understand.
Cults mislead new recruits/members as to the true expectations and activities of the group.
Cults may hide any signs of illegal, immoral or hyper-controlling practices until the recruit has fully immersed himself in the group.
A cult leader may use members' altered consciousness, induced by activities like meditation, chanting or drug use, to increase vulnerability to suggestion.

Isolation - Cults cut off members from the outside world (and even each other) to produce intense introspection, confusion, loss of perspective and a distorted sense of reality. The members of the cult become the person's only social contact and feedback mechanism.
Cults may keep new recruits from talking to other new recruits. They may only be allowed to speak with long-committed members for a period of time.
Cults may not allow unsupervised contact with the "outside world." In this way, there is no chance for a "reality check" or validation of a new member's concerns regarding the group.
Cults typically instill the belief that "outsiders" (non-cult members) are dangerous and wrong.

Induced Dependency - Cults demand absolute, unquestioning devotion, loyalty and submission. A cult member's sense of self is systematically destroyed. Ultimately, feelings of worthlessness and "evil" become associated with independence and critical thinking, and feelings of warmth and love become associated with unquestioning submission.
The leader typically controls every minute of a member's waking time. There is no free time to think or analyze.
Members are told what to eat, what to wear, how to feed their children, when to sleep ... the member is removed from all decision-making.
Any special talents the member has are immediately devalued and criticized in order to confuse the member's sense of self-worth.
Any doubts, assertiveness or remaining ties to the outside world are punished by the group through criticism, guilt and alienation. Questions and doubts are systematically "turned around" so that the doubter feels wrong, worthless, "evil" for questioning. The member is loved again when he renounces those doubts and submits to the will of the leader.
The member may be deprived of adequate sustenance and/or sleep so the mind becomes muddled.
The leader may randomly alternate praise and love with scorn and punishment to keep the member off-balance and confused and instill immense self-doubt. The leader may offer occasional gifts and special privileges to encourage continued submission.
The member may be pressured to publicly confess sins, after which he is viciously ridiculed by the group for being evil and unworthy. He is loved again when he acknowledges that his devotion to the cult is the only thing that will bring him salvation.

Dread - Once complete dependence is established, the member must retain the leader's good favor or else his life falls apart.
The leader may punish doubt or insubordination with physical or emotional trauma.
Once all ties to the outside world have been cut, the member feels like his only family is the group, and he has nowhere else to go.
Access to necessities depends on the leader's favor. The member must "behave" or he may not get food, water, social interaction or protection from the outside world.
The member may believe that only group members are "saved," so if he leaves, he will face eternal damnation.

Indoctrination, or thought reform, is a long process that never really ends. Members are continually subjected to these techniques -- it's part of daily life in a cult. Some adjust well to it after a period of time, embracing their new role as "group member" and casting aside their old sense of independence. For others, it's a perpetually stressful existence.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult4.htm

  Now you're talking, dude. Nice copy-paste after googleing! Somebody flew over the cuckoo's nest.

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Quote from: Datum on September 01, 2017, 01:20:24 AMI will tell you why. He uses cult brainwashing techniques. Read about that.

Thought reform is an umbrella term for any number of manipulative techniques used to get people to do something they wouldn't otherwise do. The concept of thought reform itself is a controversial one -- some say it's mere propaganda designed to scare people away from new religions and political movements. But most psychologists believe that cult brainwashing techniques, which are similar to techni­ques used in prisoner interrogation, do change a person's thought processes. In cult recruiting and indoctrination, these techniques include:

Deception - Cults trick new recruits into joining the group and committing themselves to a cause or lifestyle they don't fully understand.
Cults mislead new recruits/members as to the true expectations and activities of the group.
Cults may hide any signs of illegal, immoral or hyper-controlling practices until the recruit has fully immersed himself in the group.
A cult leader may use members' altered consciousness, induced by activities like meditation, chanting or drug use, to increase vulnerability to suggestion.

Isolation - Cults cut off members from the outside world (and even each other) to produce intense introspection, confusion, loss of perspective and a distorted sense of reality. The members of the cult become the person's only social contact and feedback mechanism.
Cults may keep new recruits from talking to other new recruits. They may only be allowed to speak with long-committed members for a period of time.
Cults may not allow unsupervised contact with the "outside world." In this way, there is no chance for a "reality check" or validation of a new member's concerns regarding the group.
Cults typically instill the belief that "outsiders" (non-cult members) are dangerous and wrong.

Induced Dependency - Cults demand absolute, unquestioning devotion, loyalty and submission. A cult member's sense of self is systematically destroyed. Ultimately, feelings of worthlessness and "evil" become associated with independence and critical thinking, and feelings of warmth and love become associated with unquestioning submission.
The leader typically controls every minute of a member's waking time. There is no free time to think or analyze.
Members are told what to eat, what to wear, how to feed their children, when to sleep ... the member is removed from all decision-making.
Any special talents the member has are immediately devalued and criticized in order to confuse the member's sense of self-worth.
Any doubts, assertiveness or remaining ties to the outside world are punished by the group through criticism, guilt and alienation. Questions and doubts are systematically "turned around" so that the doubter feels wrong, worthless, "evil" for questioning. The member is loved again when he renounces those doubts and submits to the will of the leader.
The member may be deprived of adequate sustenance and/or sleep so the mind becomes muddled.
The leader may randomly alternate praise and love with scorn and punishment to keep the member off-balance and confused and instill immense self-doubt. The leader may offer occasional gifts and special privileges to encourage continued submission.
The member may be pressured to publicly confess sins, after which he is viciously ridiculed by the group for being evil and unworthy. He is loved again when he acknowledges that his devotion to the cult is the only thing that will bring him salvation.

Dread - Once complete dependence is established, the member must retain the leader's good favor or else his life falls apart.
The leader may punish doubt or insubordination with physical or emotional trauma.
Once all ties to the outside world have been cut, the member feels like his only family is the group, and he has nowhere else to go.
Access to necessities depends on the leader's favor. The member must "behave" or he may not get food, water, social interaction or protection from the outside world.
The member may believe that only group members are "saved," so if he leaves, he will face eternal damnation.

Indoctrination, or thought reform, is a long process that never really ends. Members are continually subjected to these techniques -- it's part of daily life in a cult. Some adjust well to it after a period of time, embracing their new role as "group member" and casting aside their old sense of independence. For others, it's a perpetually stressful existence.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult4.htm

What the fck have you been smoking??

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Quote from: Auron on September 01, 2017, 01:10:00 AMIt's simple, there is no troll accusing Guichet with false statements, therefore, there is no reason for any Guichet patient to come out and defend him.

Perhaps no false statements but certainly bashing guichet left and right. When ever mongeal is mentioned even if its a minor thing said there is always a mongeal patient that replied. You have peole posting private messages in public and people like neverland being weird posters and these are people that are for mongeal.