Quote from: Bob Vallens on October 31, 2023, 01:18:28 AMYou havent done the procedure, correct?
what you are saying is 100% false.
you should re word it: "you may only recover 95% based on my youtube watching"
Dr Lee:
I have not, but what I did was LEARNING about it. And you are just proving my point. You can recover, you will able to do sports but you will not be a professional athlete.
I think you gotta either give up your dream or give up the surgery.
1)ironically heavyweight boxers are often not the fittest guys (can be verified easily)
2)As I said in my first post that no professional athlete would do this (its an absurd question) (Cyborg has also said as much)
3) Reality: most people who do this arent professional athletes in the first place (microscopic part of popualtion), but if you are a competitve club athlete, you will lose 1.5-2 years of your full training, so you are bound to be a worse athlete and by the time you fully recover, you are older, and therefore will be a worse athlete (simple biology)
4) BUT: If you train, you can come back as a club athlete, and return to being competitive at the older age group. (see: Donghoo lee)
if you measure times in ms, then you likely will lose ms. if you are willing to give up ms, then you can still be an athlete (FYI: ms = milliseconds)
note to readers, trust the reputable doctors and people giving first hand experiences. Not randos posting their opinions as fact.
Quote from: Bob Vallens on October 31, 2023, 08:53:10 AM1)ironically heavyweight boxers are often not the fittest guys (can be verified easily)
2)As I said in my first post that no professional athlete would do this (its an absurd question) (Cyborg has also said as much)
3) Reality: most people who do this arent professional athletes in the first place (microscopic part of popualtion), but if you are a competitve club athlete, you will lose 1.5-2 years of your full training, so you are bound to be a worse athlete and by the time you fully recover, you are older, and therefore will be a worse athlete (simple biology)
4) BUT: If you train, you can come back as a club athlete, and return to being competitive at the older age group. (see: Donghoo lee)
if you measure times in ms, then you likely will lose ms. if you are willing to give up ms, then you can still be an athlete (FYI: ms = milliseconds)
note to readers, trust the reputable doctors and people giving first hand experiences. Not randos posting their opinions as fact.
I wouldn't take you seriously neither, when you state such an ignorant statement 'heavy weight boxers are often not the fittest'. You clearly have never been in a professional sport. You don't understand this surgery and you basically are talking out of your a** because you watched two Dr. Lee's videos.
It's not 'simple biology', is a process where your whole body is impacted deeply. Muscles, bones, bio mechanics, nerves. You can delude yourself all you want but facts remain.
Note to readers: IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING ATHLETICISM DIG DEEPER, THIS SURGERY MAY NOT BE FOR YOU.
If being an athlete is your "dream" or whatever...I wouldn't even do 1 of these procedures. It doesn't help you in any capacity to have this done to become a "better" athlete. You'll lose abilities if anything, and if you're extremely lucky, you may recover to your prior status, but don't count on it.
Don’t listen to this troll. Do your own research.
Speak to a reputable surgeon.
What was your recovery time like? You feel a lot weaker since the procedure?
Seems like young people who train hard bounce back. Spoke to a early 20s guy who feels very good about it and doesnt feel he lost much if anything a 18mos later.
Quote from: Bob Vallens on October 31, 2023, 08:53:10 AM3) Reality: most people who do this arent professional athletes in the first place (microscopic part of popualtion), but if you are a competitve club athlete, you will lose 1.5-2 years of your full training, so you are bound to be a worse athlete and by the time you fully recover, you are older, and therefore will be a worse athlete (simple biology)
4) BUT: If you train, you can come back as a club athlete, and return to being competitive at the older age group. (see: Donghoo lee)
The flaw in your logic is that you assume the only cost is time, and that after 2 years you will be back at the same point as pre-surgery (i.e. 100% recovery), and just compete with people who are the same age as you which is impossible.
You are stretching muscle and nerve tissue very far, relatively speaking, along a single point (i.e. the tissue surrounding the distraction point). The muscle tissue loses strength as this occurs. Then you have the problem of bio-mechanics. The achilles tendon being stressed which is why people get ballerina when doing tibias. For femurs you get duck ass due to similar causes. Your ratios will be different. As an example a longer femur bone puts more pressure on the knee’s when squatting. Similar thing with the ankles with longer tibia bone. There will be many of these sort of effects on the body.
Therefore, it is physically impossible to regain anywhere close to 100% athletic ability. Can you recover enough to do physical activity with your friends and live a good life? Yes. But you will never be anywhere near your athletic potential pre-surgery or competitive at any level of similar age bracket assuming the others are decent.
"You are stretching muscle and nerve tissue very far, relatively speaking, along a single point (i.e. the tissue surrounding the distraction point). The muscle tissue loses strength as this occurs." Muscle Tissue can be repaired and will grow quickly in a young person who is used to training; this I know first hand; over a year you can rebuild your strength ALOT.
"Then you have the problem of bio-mechanics. The achilles tendon being stressed which is why people get ballerina when doing tibias." This is an issue for large lengthenings (beyond 5cm). A good doctor will prevent this.
"For femurs you get duck ass due to similar causes." (This requires stretching and goes away)
"Your ratios will be different. As an example a longer femur bone puts more pressure on the knee’s when squatting." (What do you think happens when people grow naturally??? 16-17yr olds have growth sppurts all the time; they learn to squat fine. Differences in T:F ratios have little impact on most sports.)
"Similar thing with the ankles with longer tibia bone. There will be many of these sort of effects on the body." (You know people grow right? And they still play sports)
Anyone reading, speak to a doctor....
Quote from: Bob Vallens on November 05, 2023, 12:40:35 AM
Anyone reading, speak to a doctor....
Exactly. You clearly are not, and don't know a single thing. You are just spreading misinformation here.
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