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Quote from: LookingAround on December 26, 2015, 08:00:09 AMI think dating is a zero sum game.  Yes, women may say they want a guy who is just taller than them.  But wouldn't they rather have a guy who is also taller than them in heels?  And, when that guy is standing in a room of guys, wouldn't they rather he was the tallest or at least not the shortest?

The answer to these questions is undoubtedly yes.  Of course, she might also prefer that their guy is the smartest or funniest guy in the room.  She might also want a deep voice or green eyes.  Regardless, height is almost always a top factor for women.  Thus, in the dating region alone, the LL surgery can make economic sense by making a guy who is a 6 out of 10 into a 7 or a 3 to a 4 or an 8 to a 10 and thus allow him to secure the attraction and / or relations of a more attractive female than he would otherwise have access to.

my research showed me that 1/3 of women don't care about height. I know this has to be true because I've dated many of them when I was 5'5"-5'6". And I also see short guys with dates. So while it's true that a majority of women like a taller guy, it is not always the case. And that is why trying to get dates should not be the primary reason for getting this surgery. The pay off for being able to date superficial women who prefer taller guys is not worth it. Let the taller guys have the superficial girls. I rather have the girl who likes me for me. If a relationship hinges on just several inches of your height, then that relationship doesn't have much substance to begin with. I mean look at the flip side. Say you like girls with C cup breasts. Then a B cup comes by and she's amazing in every way. Are you going to be like, "Nah, I only date C cup girls".

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on December 26, 2015, 12:25:37 PMmy research showed me that 1/3 of women don't care about height. I know this has to be true because I've dated many of them when I was 5'5"-5'6". And I also see short guys with dates. So while it's true that a majority of women like a taller guy, it is not always the case. And that is why trying to get dates should not be the primary reason for getting this surgery. The pay off for being able to date superficial women who prefer taller guys is not worth it. Let the taller guys have the superficial girls. I rather have the girl who likes me for me. If a relationship hinges on just several inches of your height, then that relationship doesn't have much substance to begin with. I mean look at the flip side. Say you like girls with C cup breasts. Then a B cup comes by and she's amazing in every way. Are you going to be like, "Nah, I only date C cup girls".

Ahhh DIFM always knows what to say.

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on December 26, 2015, 12:25:37 PMmy research showed me that 1/3 of women don't care about height. I know this has to be true because I've dated many of them when I was 5'5"-5'6". And I also see short guys with dates. So while it's true that a majority of women like a taller guy, it is not always the case.

Hey man, I know you pulled that statistic right out of your ass, but I agree with your comments.

There's a lot of self-defeating and misogynistic comments on this forum, especially from dudes who think a few inches will solve all their problems with women. After meeting LL'ers and seeing large amounts of bull  on both forums, I think many patients are lacking in several categories, not just height.

Women would forgive dudes for being average height, but not for being socially inept, perpetually negative, and still flipping burgers.

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Quote from: PatientZero on December 26, 2015, 12:45:54 PMHey man, I know you pulled that statistic right out of your ass, but I agree with your comments.

There's a lot of self-defeating and misogynistic comments on this forum, especially from dudes who think a few inches will solve all their problems with women. After meeting LL'ers and seeing large amounts of bullcrap on both forums, I think many patients are lacking in several categories, not just height.

Women would forgive dudes for being average height, but not for being socially inept, perpetually negative, and still flipping burgers.

**Applause**

Take a bow PZ.... From now on, I will merely cut and paste this comment when required. Too many people with this attitude to keep up with.

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In the last few months i've been only attracted to tall women. I can not even consider short women anymore it must be some subconscious thoughts or something.

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Quote from: spaghetti743 on December 26, 2015, 04:37:02 PMIn the last few months i've been only attracted to tall women. I can not even consider short women anymore it must be some subconscious thoughts or something.

I love short women!

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There are certain times when I want to call out people on their bull /flawed logic but it would be way to tiring to say the least.

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Quote from: PatientZero on December 26, 2015, 12:45:54 PMHey man, I know you pulled that statistic right out of your ass, but I agree with your comments.

I didn't. I researched this topic several times because of how many people say that they want to do LL to get women. Here's a 2014 study from Rice University that says that only 55% of women wanted to only date men taller than they are:

QuoteThe second part of the study included 54 male (average height of 5 feet 9 inches) and 131 female volunteers (average height of 5 feet 4 inches) recruited from a U.S. university. The participants answered open-ended questions in an online survey. The findings were similar to the first part of the study: 37 percent of male respondents wanted to date only women shorter than they are, while 55 percent of female respondents wanted to date only men taller than they are.

According to the study data, the dominant reasons females cited for preferring a tall partner are matters of protection and femininity.

“As the girl, I like to feel delicate and secure at the same time,” said a woman in the study who is 5 feet 3 inches tall. “Something just feels weird in thinking about looking ‘down’ into my man’s eyes. There is also something to be said about being able to wear shoes with high heels and still being shorter. I also want to be able to hug him with my arms reaching up and around his neck.”

- See more at: http://news.rice.edu/2014/02/10/is-height-important-in-matters-of-the-heart-new-study-says-yes/#sthash.K4JemK4W.dpuf

In this study: http://jezebel.com/5979641/why-are-people-still-hung-up-on-height-in-relationships it shows that only 3.8% of couples are the males shorter than the women. But most of that can be explained by the fact that the average male is taller than the average female. If left to chance, only 7.8% of wives should be taller than their husbands. So in reality, only about half of the women are actively preferring to date a taller guy over a shorter guy. The other half makes up the 3.8%.

But even with those statistics, a lot of short guys here are still the same height or taller than a lot of girls. For example, a 5'5" guy is still taller than the average woman, so he's still taller than 50% of the women. That's still a pretty large dating pool.

If the surgery were cheaper, and safer, and didn't give you so much downtime, I would say to everyone, "Go do it!" There are advantages to being taller. Your dating pool might go from 50% of women to 80% of women. I'm not denying that fact. But I AM sitting here with a lot of pain in my legs and still unable to walk properly 6 months after my surgery. No girl is worth this much pain and suffering. Especially when there's the other half of the women who are willing to date me. It's not like the surgery is the difference between being alone forever and not being alone forever. It's only the difference between whether that one particular girl who happens to be taller than you would date you or not. And unless taller girls are somehow that much better than a shorter girl, then I don't see how that taller girl is worth all this trouble and money. Personally I find average height or shorter girls to be cuter.