Quote from: V on June 05, 2020, 09:59:25 AMIf you've read some of my other posts you'd know I'm a med student who is interested in orthopedic surgery and thats my main reason for being on this site. Next to that I was insecure about my height and thought for awhile maybe LL was an option until I did more research about it. By the way you dont tell me what I can or cant, the only thing I'm doing is informing people about LL. I just give them some info and tips, I dont tell them what to do. If they still want the surgery knowing their legs will never be 100% then be my guest and go for it I dont care I just dont want my fellow forum members regretting their decision or having the surgery done but later on reading about the risks of the surgery.
I am sorry, I don't trust you.
You will never be 100% after the surgery, here is some proof.
Quote from: Polvorón on June 05, 2020, 06:05:04 PMI am sorry, I don't trust you.
Thats your choice I guess?
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 05, 2020, 04:50:52 PMRelevant but how relevant? The guy he was talking about did it at age 25 in good physical shape, 5'7 135 lbs. Not a P90X level athlete but could do the original Power 90. A former child gymnast with excellent calf flexibility.
The improved mobility and comfort from STRYDE leads to an improved training regimen, sure, but only during distraction. Once the bulky frames are off, what's the long term outcome? The same. You're just getting to the same place a little faster.
Too many people on here think that some kind of magic has happened, and that STRYDE with its incremental improvement over past technology solves every problem. This is how you get @Athens with his severe ballerina foot asking how screwed he is in the general forum because he needs to be able to go back to a physical job in a few months.
Don't get false hopes. Take this seriously. I'm not saying don't do it, but know that height is a cruel god to serve before you make that deal at its altar. It seems more worth it to a young man looking to establish his place in society than it ends up being later on.
difference:
with internal nail you can do femur lengthening. all docs today prefer femur lengthening for good reason. it has more muscle mass, recovers faster has lesser contracture issues. with old frames you couldnt do femurs even if you wanted to. maybe all surgeons wanted to femurs all along but technology did not allow them then
tibias lengthening means 2 major limitations: nail through the knee, tight ankles (ballerina foot).
and for some reason tibia patients who did frames in the past have had too much deformity problem. x legs mainly. the old forum indian docs specialty was to give x legs to patients (the ones who had deals with forums). this doesnt seem to be a problem with femurs, I dont know why. btw Medium Drink of Water, do you have your x rays to see alignment?
there are exceptions however. see this dr D femurs Patient video running at 2 minutes 30 sec:
he has inwards knees and I have no idea how he wont develop issues later on.
biomechanically maybe we are yet to hear more updates about impact of femur lengthening in a few years of time.
Quote from: ru on June 06, 2020, 06:15:38 AMdifference:
with internal nail you can do femur lengthening. all docs today prefer femur lengthening for good reason. it has more muscle mass, recovers faster has lesser contracture issues. with old frames you couldnt do femurs even if you wanted to. maybe all surgeons wanted to femurs all along but technology did not allow them then
tibias lengthening means 2 major limitations: nail through the knee, tight ankles (ballerina foot).
and for some reason tibia patients who did frames in the past have had too much deformity problem. x legs mainly. the old forum indian docs specialty was to give x legs to patients (the ones who had deals with forums). this doesnt seem to be a problem with femurs, I dont know why. btw Medium Drink of Water, do you have your x rays to see alignment?
there are exceptions however. see this dr D femurs Patient video running at 2 minutes 30 sec:
he has inwards knees and I have no idea how he wont develop issues later on.
biomechanically maybe we are yet to hear more updates about impact of femur lengthening in a few years of time.
Thanks for sharing!
Quote from: ru on June 06, 2020, 06:15:38 AMdifference:
with internal nail you can do femur lengthening. all docs today prefer femur lengthening for good reason. it has more muscle mass, recovers faster has lesser contracture issues. with old frames you couldnt do femurs even if you wanted to. maybe all surgeons wanted to femurs all along but technology did not allow them then
2007 is not ancient history. Little has changed in LL since then. Internal nails have existed for a long time; even way before I got the surgery done Guichet, Paley, Betz, and others offered them. And doctors could and did do femurs with external frames, and it even still happens today in poor countries where femurs need to be lengthened but internals aren't available.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 06, 2020, 12:50:13 PM2007 is not ancient history. Little has changed in LL since then. Internal nails have existed for a long time; even way before I got the surgery done Guichet, Paley, Betz, and others offered them. And doctors could and did do femurs with external frames, and it even still happens today in poor countries where femurs need to be lengthened but internals aren't available.
your right. I guess my point was that femurs patients have generally complained less about issues. new gen nails have made the process of femur lengthening easier and more tolerable but probably not changed long term outcome of femur lengthening itself.
my thought was that because tibias is a more difficult surgery with the fibula and all that it has led to more cases of misalignment. femurs less so.
any way there is so less data about all of this. cant say much really. it seems like femur lengthening is better than tibia lengthening based on doctor recommendation (even though tibias is more money to doctors with same method)
3 inches on Tibias is insane. American Cosmetic Leg Lengthening surgeons won't even dare permit this length. Do not use medium drink of water's anecdote as a generalization for anything.
And the surgery has improved. Watch Paley's interview with cyborg4life. He talks about how many surgeons have fixed the tibia and fibula in an incorrect manner and even after distraction and consolidation and removal of nails/fixators, it can cause arthritis and hip problems in the far future. The surgery technique has changed. It does actually matter how they do it. Just because Medium drink of water did an unsafe amount that wouldn't be recommended by any western doctor now and complains about his pains and problems now doesn't mean anything.
But I do agree, you will not fully get back to 100%, simply because your biomechanics have changed fundamentally with a different leg bones ratios and whatnot.
I think this post is a little be sarcastic and extreme in a way, if you're a med student you should know that one person's experience shouldn't conclude the whole LL.
That being said, don't be too optimistic about the surgery as well. It's not really dangerous if you find the right doctor but it is breaking both of your legs regardless, and physical therapy is very important, more importantly, the stretching before and after the surgery, who has really kept up with stretching after cll? I know for a fact medium drink of water hasn't as he has answered this question in a forum.
Don't get me wrong, Medium Drink of Water is one of the most active members in this forum period, he has given some quality suggestions to people, all credits to him for that.
He did 7cm in Tibias, its a lot but it happens more than you think. Look at the Korean Dr Lee's website and you can find a bunch. He has also had experience with 8000 patients, not all cll but I would say most of them are. He has also shown some videos of patients who have had this for some time, and yes, of course, he would only say the good things about the surgery but try doing research within the 8000 patients instead of just one. We would love to see it, for real, I'm thinking about doing CLL in Korea, and on tibia 5.5cm. Out of the thousands of people who did it in Korea, less than 10 diaries on this forum regarding what its like, and what it's like after with Dr lee, it must be because of the language barrier, if you are korean or understand Korean, please try to find someone from Korea who has done this with Dr lee.
The real annoying thing about CLL is the lack of research from legit researchers, but what can you do? If i was a med student, id probably come up with a proper research report but that's just me.
Quote from: Kogi314 on June 23, 2020, 12:19:49 PMOut of the thousands of people who did it in Korea, less than 10 diaries on this forum regarding what its like, and what it's like after with Dr lee, it must be because of the language barrier, if you are korean or understand Korean, please try to find someone from Korea who has done this with Dr lee.
Here are thank you letters from patients of Dr Lee
https://drdonghoon.co.kr/%ec%a0%84%ed%9b%84%ec%82%ac%ec%a7%84-%ed%9b%84%ea%b8%b0-%ec%98%88%ec%95%bd/thanks-letters/
If you find some typed letters, you can use google translator.
my guess is he's not very athletic to begin with. i was an athlete before and have lifted HEAVY weights all my life. when i recovered enough (after LL surgery) I hit the gym everyday to the extent where I would pass out at home afterwards....that's when things started to get really good. the recovery rate increased exponentially with how hard I lifted weights.
first i could only do machines at the gym then went on to compound exercises like squats, deadlifts, bench and military after 2 months. I'm stronger now than before the surgery and will continue to improve. the original post is nonsense.
do the LL surgery. achieve your dreams and work out like you've never done before. you'll be great.
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