Hi I am 28, I'm 177, I'm average good as appearance (so girls outside my family say) since I did a maxillofacial surgery and rhinoplasty which helped me a lot. I was on the average ugly side before. And I'm an assumed average height which is 177 cm. I noticed that most average/pretty girls here are obsessed by height in a man. Many many times on dates they made some reference to me being short/not tall enough. I admit i used to go to girls met online so appearance is more important there maybe the first thing. Anyway even asking many girls about how their ideal man should be they always say the magic word "tall" usually first. "TALL attractive confident nice...". It's not a chance. I don't feel myself so short but even "not tall enough" to date pretty women. With my average/decent face I think that being on the average/tall side would give me that bonus which would make the difference.
I am introvert also and never had a gf so far. I think I should work much on my personality and be more open and funny. But still being tall would help me indirectly, because when you are tall world smiles to you a bit more. I'm not saying that tall people have an easy life, but an easier life. People have the attitude to associate height with power so they tend to respect more tall guys. This means tall guys get constantly these feedbacks which slowly build their confidence. Not to add the same fact that walking even only 10 cm over the heads of the other people gives you that feeling of being "superior".
I noticed that here the new average/good height is 182/183 cm at least. And that is what would be enough for me. I would be as tall as di caprio for example (not as attractive of course) and I have never heard anyone saying that didn't caprio is not tall enough.
I am not rich, I would like to spend the least possible. Also I would accept even 3 cm instead than 5 if that meant less money spent.
I forgot about this post. Thanks for several answers. I think I'm a totally sane person. I'm not obsessive and not depressed. Only thing I would change is that I'm a little bit introverted. Anyway I have gone to many shrinks in my life and they never helped me seriously. I did meditation and all that stuff. Worked out et cetera.
Finally I understood that if I wanted a REAL change in my life I had to take bravery and do brave choices. I could go on my life and accept everything on its path or take the best from it. Plastic surgery was on that direction. I am happy to have done it. I don't care what people say, the usual things, because we all know that some people do a ty life with what nature has given them and some others are born with perfect genes. Now maybe you can accept what "nature"has given you, lead your limited life, with all the limitations which nature gave you, but I want to live my life FULLY. I am aware I have just one life and I want the best.
It's not like I cannot live being a 177 cm... I'm quite OK with it...but why shouldnt I go for my dreams? Do I have a second life as a tall guy after? I have just this and I want to fulfill ALL my dreams. Which of course are not only related to height. But being tall is part of the thing. I do not understand why you find me weird or with mental problems to talk about length lengthening in a forum dedicated to it. Either we are all crazy or none is.
Maybe I won't do it quickly because firstly I need to get the money. But one day, if I find the right medic and I am assured that all the thing is simple and without problems, I will.
Quote from: TheLichKing on March 10, 2017, 05:04:54 AM+1. It could be esteem and confidence issues. Should focus on what factors are holding those back. 5'10 is a perfectly normal average height by US standards and taller than 90% of countries' average height around the world. I'm predicting you lack social skills and have esteem / confidence issues because those are pretty much very common reasons why men have trouble getting women.
Now if this were a 5'7 and under dude, it would have been understandable that he has esteem / confidence issues because of his height, but at 5'10, height shouldn't be an issue at all, getting taller at this height is only luxury. But nevertheless, if getting CLL helps increase your confidence and esteem by 2 folds or so, who are we to oppose you.... I just think you would have a greater marginal gain (taking cost and benefit analysis into account) by focusing on the other factors that are hindering you, and tbh the profit from CLL would most likely be minuscule in comparison.
I am ITALIAN. Here nowadays height in new generations is quite tall and many times I have been addressed openly as "shorty" "average short" mainly by girls. I know we are known tof be shorty but on my opinion this is not true anymore. Maybe in the past. When I am among people of my age or less I feel definitely average short. Sometimes girls could even laugh or act amazed when I told them (in Facebook chat) I was "only" 177 cm (177.5 or 178 cm in the morning). Sometimes I told them I was 179 cm and I was still short on their opinion. In the same time I have noticed many conversations of average/pretty girls who said things like "that guy is pretty and intelligent BUT he is too short" (guys theorically of average height).
I have come at the conclusion that unfortunately height matters. People in general treat you differently when you are tall and girls above all. This definitely increases your self esteem. One period I used to try small lifters in my shoes (2.5 cm) and I perceived I was looked more from girls. Sometimes I even noticed some smiles. Maybe it was a coincidence but this is one of the several reasons which brought me to consider this option. I don't know if I will ever. Mainly I am afraid of problems. If I was sure of the result I would do it no doubt because come on, at the cost of a car you become taller with all benefits associated... it seems worth it.
Just imagine the feeling of watching everyone from above. This makes you feel big, sttong, confident. I have never seen a tall guy insecure or they are quite rare. While I always noticed that the small guys had some social problems more or less hidden.
I would like more information from you about the problems and rate of them in percentage. Thanks.
Quote from: TheLichKing on March 12, 2017, 06:43:32 PMWell what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.
You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.
In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?
I am not from Canada. I think you are confusing me wth someone else. I am italian from Florence (YOu know Dante Alighieri...Medici...)
I am sorry. I took the most accurate measures and i am actually 177.5 cm most of the times. Sometimes i almost hit the 178 cm some other times i go closer to 177 cm. 80% of the times i am around 177.5 cm. I am not here to lie on my height i am sorry i am not that dull.
Also nelieve me, many girls here (i live in Florence Tuscany so central northern italy) are quite tall. I dont know exactely how much but i feel they are almost as tall as i am, maybe around 173 cm. So they naturally look for a 180+ cm guy. So i guess when they said (and they said that a lot or made me understand that) that i was shorty (even a 38 yo lawyer and academic i dated once told me that so not exactely a dumb teen) i tjink they implied i was not short in general but FOR THEIR IDEAL of man. In the end there are many guys tall here and even if im generally average the girls tend to like the tall guys much much more. Girls tend to look for the best not the average. Its natural selection. EWhy choosing average genes when you can have the best ones?
And its not a thing related to personality. I could be a bit intrvert but im funny and i make them laugh too.
I always notice that they lose attraction simply when they know i am not tall as they imagined. I think that even 1 inch or 1 inch and half in my case would make the difference making me enter the Elysium of the 5 11 or 6 feet.
Also, since many of you implied that i am some kind of troubled boring person, i am taking my degree in law and i have had success in studies since i was a child. I have always been considered intelligent by every teacher. I am not stupid. I know what i am doing.
And i am not a deluded person thinking that being taller will make me a winner. But it simply will help. That change together with other changes will make a big difference in my quality of life. Dont tell me that looking people from a lower level does not lower your self esteem because it is not true. Height does help self esteem a lot. Exactely as a beautiful face (i would say 60% face 40% height) and a nice body. Is it the only thing? Absolutely not.
I think that the pole of attraction for a man is: charisma, beauty (height + face), success in life (mainly career). So if you are taller you increase one of the 3 factors of attraction, which helps of course, but does not garantee anything, especially if the other values are very low (but charisma and career can be improved with simply dedication and constant effort, differently than height and beauty).
Also usually only 2 high values on 3 gives you a high value as man. For example: look+ charisma or look+success/career is usually enough for most women. Being high in all 3 makes you basically a God for women (and in general).
Being italjan and liking (pretty) women a lot, the simple chance of getting almost any (single) girls i want (girls go firstly for the good look) makes everything worth it.
Quote from: TheLichKing on March 13, 2017, 10:51:27 PMThs site gives genuine celebrity height: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Leonardo-DiCaprio-15.html
Zac Efron and Ian Somerhalder are some examples of bit short-average height celebrities who women drool after. Ian has over 10 million followers on instagram, and he ain't even that rich and big-of-a-name compared to other celebrities. Plus he's the same height as OP. He won many women's hearts from his famous "Vampire Diaries" show but he got some killer looks.
How can you even take into account celebrities who are rich famous and honestly have a killer looks with the average 177 cm guy like me?
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 14, 2017, 03:08:43 AMA lot of people go to bars and clubs to enjoy a good drink or dance to good music. As much as a lot go to flirt or get flirted.
A lot of female friends of mine told me they hate it when men disturb them when they are in a bar (no matter how the guy looks). I have also witnessed it first hand with female friends of mine rejecting guys who look like brad pit just because they werent interested to know someone when they went out.
Edit: But I guess it comes to the country in which you live. As when I went for a month to Toronto my ass became red from all the pinching it got from girls in bars and clubs over there
For what I know about Average women, if some guy really handsome confident (and tall?) Approaches them, 95% of the times they will be interested. Exactly as if a very hot woman tries to approach you, would you be interested or not?
I don't know if I said before but I dated some women. Problem was that the only women who were interested in me were -honestly speaking, no offense to them- ugly women. This is what mother nature wpuld bring me naturally and i dont like it. So i am trying to cheat nature and genetics. Now, I am not super attractive but I am honestly not ugly, I am not stupid or have some big genetic fault. Fact is that for my experience if you want to date average/pretty girls you cannot simply be average. You have to stand up among the many, because remember, women have the power to choose and why should they choose an average (in other words, often average means mediocre) guy like many others when they can have the best or at least someone in the upper range? This applies to everything, height included. Remember that they often talk of men around 6 feet as ideal, which is exactely a height above average. You won't attract many women with a average face or height, you have to step above average, and then you will have real chances (that you will be able to get or not depending on your skills and intelligence; if you are stupid or depressed and introvert you still stand no chance). Otherwise, let's be honest, you will have to struggle much to simply hope to find someone who will accept you... and that is not a real choice, this means to be chosen.
I strongly believe that in present world a good look and a height above average opens the doors of heaven in relation shup field. I think that it is useless to do a big effort with gym or seduction skills when your potential of attraction is mainly (let's say 80%) dependant on genetic factors. This is simply the frame of mind of 1950s of "hard work brinGS you everywhere" which, if in some field it could be true, applied extensively is plain stupid.
With my decent look and average height I have tried to date many average/pretty woman and I could only get the ugly ones. The only not ugly one I came close to have (but still did not in the end) was fat and insecure. And believe me I know my social skills and I am not less than average, I am probably more funny and I look more confident than average here. So it's not a personality issue.
I simply have this life and want the best in every field. I don't harm anyone so I don't see why not.
Not so complicated. Exactly as you said it's simply this ( I would go for this order but it can change according individual): look and status. With some women valuing status more than looks some others the opposite. If you have both look and status let's be honest, you will naturally attract almost any women.
But for our luck, since it is hard to find guys who really have good looks and high social status, they are not enough for every woman, they (I am talking about the average pretty girls who have dozens males on their feet thus power to choose who they want) will accept even a guy with good look and average status or a guy with good status and average look.
Quote from: Body Builder on March 16, 2017, 01:47:57 PMWe are not fighters but most of the times, the best way to win a fight is to look imposing so noone wants to fight with you.
And height with some good muscles especially in arms and back are enough for the majority of men to not want to fight you.
Although I am not considered tall, I have a relatively good height that with my muscles make me look enough bulk to not be picked for a fight.
I am not as fast or stable as before LL (and I think that has to do more with atl than LL itself) but I look way more imposing than before and if I become 5.11 I'll be much more imposing than now so I doubt that someone would want to fight me, for at least a not very important reason, so I really believe that even if you aren't stronger after LL, you look stronger and that will help you avoid a lot of fights.
After all, we are not in the jungle so I don't think that someone should care if he is not a so capable fighter after LL. After all, most people are not capable in fighting regardless if they did LL or not.
So you have done LL? Where? And how was it? How much time did it take and how much did you pay? Did you have some problems?
I will do this only if I won't have any problems after.
Also I forgot to mention this in my OP:
My dad is (was when he was young) 180 cm and my mom is short only 155 cm. But I think I could be taller than what I am. In my teenage years I did everything I could (not intentionally) to stop my height increase... I was almost anorexic (I ate very little and was super skinny) exactly in the years of height growth then I did not sleep in the night which is when people grow. I used to sleep some hours in the afternoon. I was super stressed by schools and also I was bullied. So I think that my height could have been probably more. I think I could have reached my dad most likely.
This seems proved by my body ratio because I have a big head big hands big and long chest but SHORT LEGS. If I had longer legs i would look totally fine because I think that longer legs would fit the reSt of my body better than those I have.
Also if you want to suggest a GOOD doctor here in Europe (or Italy) which does LL in cases like mine or give me more informations of risks and troubles I will be thankful.
Quote from: Body Builder on March 17, 2017, 11:34:28 AMYes drtruman I did tibia LL and I went from 1.68 to 1.75,5 (morning height) and I have a problem of some weakness durimg walking due to at. lengthening I did which as I mentioned in other threads is a really bad decision that I didn't know before I did it.
But I plan to fix it with another surgery next month and I believe I will be totally fine after that.
But generally speaking I am ok.
But if you want more information you should read carefully the diaries here.
LL is a risk and noone can reassure you that you'll be completely fine after that.
But imo, if you go to a good doctor and lengthen wisely, it definitely worth the risk for people who are at least a little less than average height.
For anything else (like relatively tall guys to become very tall) it definitely doesn't worth of course.
What was a bad decision? And on your personal opinion would it be worth the trouble for me (average tall in theory but always dreamt of being taller and always felt the small guy)?
Also I would like to know the names of best reputable medics in Europe or in general (but not the most expensive)
Update: I did new measurement. I used to place a book on my head and take the measure. Then I realized that in my subconscious attempt to be taller I placed the book maybe slightly upward so that I took 1 cm. I did more accurate measures today with boxes which cannot but be perpendicular on my head and my afternoon/evening/real height is 176.5. If I stretch a lot I can achieve 177 cm. I took some measures in the morning and I was 177.5 most of the times but that is not the real height. The real height is in the afternoon on my opinion. So I don't even reach the 5'10 I hoped.
In the meantime I read some articles which talked about new generations height and it is official: recent studies on 18 yo italian guys say that the new average is 177.8 cm. Which is even more than average of 18 yo American guys (177.2 I think to remember). This confirmed my perception of new generations being taller than me. The 177.8 was an average of Italians guys of every part of Italy, with Southern Italians no doubt lowering the average being known to be shorter. Since I live in Central Northern Italy I think that that average here could be at least 1 cm more and if we go to northern Italy I think they overcome the 180 cm no doubt.
This would explain why I feel slightly shorter when comparing myself with other young guys... Because I am probably on average 2/3 cm less.
If you want to read the article it's Italian but it gives all sources: http://www.lastampa.it/2016/07/27/societa/abbiamo-superato-gli-americani-ma-soltanto-in-altezza-ZFTFUVSSB46dNOYO65WUzI/amphtml/pagina.amp.html
Also in my last meetings with girls met online I have noticed once again how height was the first thing they all noticed and mentioned. ALL girls mentioned height among the first sentences at least once, usually to say that I looked taller in pictures or to ask how tall was I (after having asked it other times in chat but they forgot). I smiled and pretended I did not care, but innerly I felt so frustrated. Mainly because I was using lifters inside the shoes (about 1.5/2 cm) and even with the lifters (thus 179 cm) I was considered "shorty". I wonder what they would have though if I did not even have them.
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