Quote from: GeTs on March 20, 2018, 01:13:26 PMYou don't care about the guy. I see you took it personal that someone taller than you wants to become even taller. Seen it happen everywhere, I'm not new to this stuff.
I was just like that, I now think each person should decide for themselves and I'd rather focus on me and what I can do. If some guy at 6'0 wants to do it, feel free. If I were OP I'd rather just switch country
I've made many posts in the past where I made my position on this issue explicit. I have no issues with tall people wanting to become taller through CLL. My problem is with so many here treating CLL like a nose job. "Oh, you feel kinda short being 2cm shorter than average? Yeah, man, I get you, go ahead, get CLL, and be happy." CLL is no joke. Look at all the bad cases. Only 60% of all CLL is considered successful. It needs to be a last resort, and it's specially important to stress this the taller the person is.
Basically, I want people making informed decisions instead of possibly making very bad ones on a whim, be it may because of a recent bad event or a recent period of anxiety and insecurity.
Also, this is a post from Taller himself (from this thread) that I think everyone at taller heights should read. It's one of the best in the forums, in my opinion.
I'm not here to judge anyone that wants to this but at such height he is is at worst a short average even in country like the Netherlands where average is ranging from 182-183 cm. And yes, this is not a simple cosmetic surgery. People should only consider this operations if their life is already that bad they can't feel like a normal person due to their height. Is that the case with the OP? I really encourage him to think if the benefits outweigh the potential risks.
Quote from: myloginacct on March 20, 2018, 02:11:54 PMI've made many posts in the past where I made my position on this issue explicit. I have no issues with tall people wanting to become taller through CLL. My problem is with so many here treating CLL like a nose job. "Oh, you feel kinda short being 2cm shorter than average? Yeah, man, I get you, go ahead, get CLL, and be happy." CLL is no joke. Look at all the bad cases. Only 60% of all CLL is considered successful. It needs to be a last resort, and it's specially important to stress this the taller the person is.
Basically, I want people making informed decisions instead of possibly making very bad ones on a whim, be it may because of a recent bad event or a recent period of anxiety and insecurity.
Also, this is a post from Taller himself (from this thread) that I think everyone at taller heights should read. It's one of the best in the forums, in my opinion.
I agree with that, especially when I see some new guy just saying I'm gonna do 10cm and if I feel good I will push for 14, makes me want to punch my face
Quote from: GeTs on March 20, 2018, 12:56:49 PMNo, it's normal.
Average among young whites is 5'11 in UK/US. Old guys bring it down but average among young whites Germany/UK is 5'11
Yup, you are right and this gets me more depressed. I found a detailed study taken in the last 5 years of 9'000 males I believe. US stats: 5' 9.5" average, 5' 10" average for young, 5' 10 1/2" average for whites. There was no average for white young whites, but you can deduce 5' 11" since there is a .5" boost for young men added to the white general population.
So maybe 5' 10" isn't really the complete "safe zone" as I've heard before. 5' 11" is the new safe zone.
Quote from: MoveUp on March 21, 2018, 05:11:20 PMYup, you are right and this gets me more depressed. I found a detailed study taken in the last 5 years of 9'000 males I believe. US stats: 5' 9.5" average, 5' 10" average for young, 5' 10 1/2" average for whites. There was no average for white young whites, but you can deduce 5' 11" since there is a .5" boost for young men added to the white general population.
So maybe 5' 10" isn't really the complete "safe zone" as I've heard before. 5' 11" is the new safe zone.
average is no way 5'11 in the USA, the same for UK
it's maybe the average in the tallest countries in Europe like Netherlands, but not in UK
stop upgrading average please
US average, including all ethnic communauties (latin-American, Afro, Asiat, Whites) and generation could be about 5-7 maybe
5'10 is absolutely good everywhere in the world
To add to that, height increase in the US has stalled in the last 50 years. Emphasis mine:
QuoteSince data on Americans' average height was first collected in the early 20th century, children and adolescents grew about an inch and a half taller every 20 years. But recent measurements suggest Americans' average height has more or less hit the ceiling.
Data collected from the federal Centers for Disease Control show that average height for Americans has stabilized in the past 50 years to about 5 feet 9 inches for men and 5 feet 4 inches for women.
"We've pretty well maxed out in terms of stature. There's been little change in adult height over last generation," says William Leonard, an anthropologist at Northwestern University.
Source
According to our favorite Wikipedia page, the average height of white adult males is 5'10".
UK ranges from 5'9" to 5'10", Germans are indeed 5'11". Patterns you notice may be attributed to a neighborhood that you visit; ethnic groups tend to stick together, so they have similar heights. Tourist spots are a melting pot, so those areas are unreliable for anecdotes as well.
And let's be frank, we (the members of this forum) are much more sensitive to bias when it comes to height. We notice a tall guy, we start seeing tall guys everywhere; much like Microbe's anecdote about noticing short guys with beautiful women. They didn't start dating after his CLL, as if the surgery changed the rules of the universe; instead he started to notice things after an experience that had a direct impact on how he perceives height.
Quote from: MoveUp on March 21, 2018, 05:11:20 PMYup, you are right and this gets me more depressed. I found a detailed study taken in the last 5 years of 9'000 males I believe. US stats: 5' 9.5" average, 5' 10" average for young, 5' 10 1/2" average for whites. There was no average for white young whites, but you can deduce 5' 11" since there is a .5" boost for young men added to the white general population.
So maybe 5' 10" isn't really the complete "safe zone" as I've heard before. 5' 11" is the new safe zone.
Don't be depressed about things like that. Also, there's nothing new about the heights in those countries, including the young men. Height has plateaued in most white ethnic groups outside of Southern Europe and Eastern Europe.
And no, countries like the UK and France aren't as tall as the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and some in the Balkans - which are the tallest in the world. 5'10 seems the right average for the UK and France.
What do you think as being a safe zone? You know it's alright to be slightly under the average of a country, right? Specially, and literally, the ones with the tallest men in the planet. That's natural variation.
Quote from: myloginacct on March 21, 2018, 06:12:15 PMDon't be depressed about things like that. Also, there's nothing new about the heights in those countries, including the young men. Height has plateaued in most white ethnic groups outside of Southern Europe and Eastern Europe.
And no, countries like the UK and France aren't as tall as the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and some in the Balkans - which are the tallest in the world. 5'10 seems the right average for the UK and France.
What do you think as being a safe zone? You know it's alright to be slightly under the average of a country, right? Specially, and literally, the ones with the tallest men in the planet. That's natural variation.
Thanks man, you're right. I actually questioned my thoughts right after about the "safe zone". Why does average have to be the safe zone? If anything the normal range should be the safe zone, so 5'8"+ I'd say. It's not ideal, but enough to blend into the crowd.
Quote from: myloginacct on March 21, 2018, 06:12:15 PMDon't be depressed about things like that. Also, there's nothing new about the heights in those countries, including the young men. Height has plateaued in most white ethnic groups outside of Southern Europe and Eastern Europe.
And no, countries like the UK and France aren't as tall as the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and some in the Balkans - which are the tallest in the world. 5'10 seems the right average for the UK and France.
What do you think as being a safe zone? You know it's alright to be slightly under the average of a country, right? Specially, and literally, the ones with the tallest men in the planet. That's natural variation.
I don't find Scandinavians especially tall, it sounds more like a cliché
and now with all that migrants it's clearly no more the case
Belgian people too, but it's rather because I only know Walloon and no Flemish
I'd say that in these countries average is like 3 maybe 4 cm more than UK
it's maybe 5-6 cm (but 6 cm more sounds too big) more in Netherlands but I never went there, so I don't really know
Quote from: MoveUp on March 21, 2018, 06:20:47 PMThanks man, you're right. I actually questioned my thoughts right after about the "safe zone". Why does average have to be the safe zone? If anything the normal range should be the safe zone, so 5'8"+ I'd say. It's not ideal, but enough to blend into the crowd.
By the way, I don't know if this would help you, but here's the body transformation of someone who's 174cm and 57kg over a year. That's apparently 5'8.5 and 125.5 lbs in Americanese.
Your forum signature just reminded me of it.
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