4+4 twice with Paley thoughts

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I am also contemplating on it. I am willing to do rebreaking as well.
I know some ppl here are thinking rebreak as a laughing stock cuz they think nearly nobody is not reluctant to go back home after doing quadrilateral surgeries and rebreaking is just nearly a fairy tale but I am hating myself and 8-10cm cannot save my life cuz I am only 162cm.
I'd rather have AIDS than being short so I think this Option can make a lot of senses for me and height is driving me crazy so much and I hate this world and my height so much like stinky st. So If you are glad to, DM me to communicate with me!

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Quote from: growthPlz on June 07, 2021, 07:48:57 PMProportions aside, is 4+4 twice safe? Assuming you did 4 cm femurs, then once that’s done do 4cm tibias, then wait a year and rebreak femurs for another 4cm then after rebreak tibias for another 4cm. 16cm total. It sounds pretty safe and in a video with cyborg 4 life he said it’s a really good option. Thoughts?

I see you are referring to option 5 here
https://limblengthening.org/lengthening-strategies/
$275,000 for the 16cm (8cm femurs + 8cm tibias) you mentioned
16cm = 6.30 inch

Better option would be option 4
$201,500 for 13cm (8cm femurs + 5cm tibias) and no rebreaking of bones
13cm = 5.12 inch

Also, 5cm for tibias is far more safer than 8cm. With +8cm tibias, you'll get major arthritis pain at the knees. And remember, the average tibia is 80% of the length of the femur, so +8cm tibias is overboard.

Option 4 gives you 5.12 inch for the best safety. If +5.12 inches will not satisfy you, then it's unlikely anything will satisfy you. Plus is paying over $70k for a little more than one inch really worth it when you can gain 5.12 inches with option 4?

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Quote from: HeightJourney2021 on February 19, 2022, 05:51:27 AMI see you are referring to option 5 here
https://limblengthening.org/lengthening-strategies/
$275,000 for the 16cm (8cm femurs + 8cm tibias) you mentioned
16cm = 6.30 inch

Better option would be option 4
$201,500 for 13cm (8cm femurs + 5cm tibias) and no rebreaking of bones
13cm = 5.12 inch

Also, 5cm for tibias is far more safer than 8cm. With +8cm tibias, you'll get major arthritis pain at the knees. And remember, the average tibia is 80% of the length of the femur, so +8cm tibias is overboard.

Option 4 gives you 5.12 inch for the best safety. If +5.12 inches will not satisfy you, then it's unlikely anything will satisfy you. Plus is paying over $70k for a little more than one inch really worth it when you can gain 5.12 inches with option 4?

I have read that Tibias not being at 0.8 to femurs leads to higher rate of arthritis but have not heard that overall length was an issue. Are you saying that 8cm tibia is the problem or that it will ruin your ratio even if you do 8cm femurs as well?

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Quote from: Highest on February 19, 2022, 06:29:06 AMI have read that Tibias not being at 0.8 to femurs leads to higher rate of arthritis but have not heard that overall length was an issue. Are you saying that 8cm tibia is the problem or that it will ruin your ratio even if you do 8cm femurs as well?

The tibia:femur ratio that determines risk of arthritis is the new tibia length to the original femur length. If you lengthen the femurs, that will add even more stress to the knees and hips.

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Dr. Paley is an extremely conservative doctor, as well as the best LL surgeon on the planet. If he is advertising it, then I wouldn't have major concerns about the safety of it.

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Quote from: HeightJourney2021 on February 19, 2022, 06:44:18 AMThe tibia:femur ratio that determines risk of arthritis is the new tibia length to the original femur length. If you lengthen the femurs, that will add even more stress to the knees and hips.

Your first sentence makes sense. I don't understand how lengthening femurs adds more stress to hips and knees though, could you explain further?

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Sounds like a ridiculous waste of money and time to me.

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Quote from: Highest on February 19, 2022, 09:44:35 AMYour first sentence makes sense. I don't understand how lengthening femurs adds more stress to hips and knees though, could you explain further?

Leg muscles are interconnected to each other. The muscles around the femurs connect below to the muscles around the tibias and above to the hip muscles.

https://imgur.com/x8FogFZ

I felt my calves and hip muscles get higher as I lengthened the femurs. When I reached the 6cm mark on the femurs, I started developing a small case of ballerina foot that is prevalent for tibia lengtheners.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on February 19, 2022, 04:07:43 PMSounds like a ridiculous waste of money and time to me.

That was the simple summary I meant to say.