Sure dodge the question all together, and a chance to show how not so crazy people in this forum can be. My question still applies to others though, so if anyone wants to chime in, please do so.
And to the OP. I said it, your budget is not realistic for this operation. If anything happens you'll face more problems then a broken leg.
Quote from: blendi on February 19, 2016, 09:57:29 PMI am just going to do it. 5'11-6'1 is the perfect height where you just feel average to above average . I went to the store today and felt like 7/10 people were at least taller than me. With 2 inches, I'd feel like I'm between short and tall.
Hey man.. what you just said didn't make sense. You're taller than 50% of the males in your country, so only 5/10 guys on the street are taller than you.
You're also suggesting that if you are 5'11 or 1 inch taller, your life will dramatically improve and your mental illness will go away. How bout some height insoles? Just saved yourself a trip to India, breaking your legs, 12 months with a torture device, and possibly escape death.
Many of the guys who come here will feel very strongly about LL for several months, but will taper off and go back to their normal lives. I think you belong to this group.
Quote from: YellowSpike on February 19, 2016, 05:37:35 PMPretty sure this is directed at me, so I'll bite.
I would have never Googled "Limb Lengthening" if I were 5'10". I think if I were 5'9" naturally, I wouldn't have had much an issue with that either. However, at 5'8" I still feel short a lot of the time. I don't think that 5'9" would be a miraculous change where I'd never feel short ever again...that's just me compromising. I'd love to be 5'10". I honest to God think that 5'10" is the first truly "safe" height in most countries (don't care about the Netherlands because I never plan to go there, no disrespect to the lovely people there though). But at 5'9", I can still get by, mostly blend in with a good amount of other guys, and claim I'm 5'10" and not get called out for it.
5'8" at the end of the day, is still short and right below that line. Which to me is just unacceptable. And that last inch DOES make a difference. Trust me on this. I've measured the 5'8" and 5'9" marks on my wall facing a mirror, and I'd be ecstatic with 5'9" evening height. It does make a difference to me, which is the most important thing. I want to be happy. And I'm not happy at 5'8" and don't believe I ever will be.
i don't want to be offended, but i think you are a tall man in a small body, it would have been better if you were 180 cm, then you could have pushed to 185-190 cm.
I don't know what to tell you, the american average males is 175-178 cm, even if you hit 178 cm you would still feel short considering that almost half of americans are above that mark.
So 178 cm is a lot better than 173 cm, but i am almost sure you will still be unhappy, i remember how you praise tall people, thinking they are more alpha and superior.
Quote from: endomorphisme on February 20, 2016, 04:26:50 PMi don't want to be offended, but i think you are a tall man in a small body, it would have been better if you were 180 cm, then you could have pushed to 185-190 cm.
I don't know what to tell you, the american average males is 175-178 cm, even if you hit 178 cm you would still feel short considering that almost half of americans are above that mark.
So 178 cm is a lot better than 173 cm, but i am almost sure you will still be unhappy, i remember how you praise tall people, thinking they are more alpha and superior.
I have to get off this site for a while but wanted to respond to this. I don't remember saying that tall men are more alpha. I never used to get involved in those types of convos on here.
175 will make me happy because that's the most reasonable amount i can get to without complications or being out of commission for too long. Knowing I will have done all that I could at that point to get taller will be enough. 5'9 is only a pinch below average. And I have to watch my proportions and want to make a full recovery. I'm not here for an Apo type transformation involving arm lengthening. This has to stop at some point and life has to go on.
Let's not bicker and fight among ourselves. We're all in this together and it'd be counter productive to tell someone what to do and what not to do based on how YOU would feel at that height. Everyone lives in a different environment and background and ambition. For example, there are some millionaires who can't be happy about being millionaires and strive to be billionaires. So the same thing can be said about height. One person's dream height could be 5'9" while another is 6'. This is where the bickering can happen, because each person has a different view on what's already great.
What I do find productive to tell you guys who haven't done LL yet is how freaking expensive and painful and mentally taxing and permanently damaging it is do LL. If you're okay with that, then okay, go do it. But I hope you guys know what you're getting yourself into before you make any decisions. It's not some simple thing like getting braces. I got braces before, and that was a cakewalk compared to this. My best analogy is that LL is getting your legs beaten by a metal baseball bat for 3 months, and then being in a wheelchair for 3 more months after that, followed by relearning how to work for a few months after that. I'm not even exaggerating. That's what it feels like. If that sounds like it's worth doing to be able to wear pants that fit, then okay, who am I to judge?
Quote from: YellowSpike on February 20, 2016, 06:38:49 PM175 will make me happy
You still have my support, man. At the end of the day, that's the most important part: That you'll be happy about it. Who cares what anyone else thinks is "tall enough". When it comes down to it, if that's really what's stopping you from being happy, then right on. If you still can't be talked out of it after all these months, then I don't see many more options. Plus, I know exactly how you feel. I'm 5'9" and I still wear lifts to get to 5'10", simply because I don't think I'm at the perfect height yet. If I could do what you can do and add an inch without any long term side effects, then I'd probably do it too and avoid having to wear lifts ever again. But right now, the cons outweigh the pros of being taller than 5'9".
I'm in the same boat. I'm 5'10 and feel short often. I think that for people who 5'10, LL in a way makes the most sense. You only need to gain 2 inches before you are at an ideal height. 2 inches is also right around the upper limit after which people start to get problems. 2 inches also gets one from dead average to right around 80th percentile, which I think is as all tall as anyone should want to be.
Quote from: LookingAround on February 20, 2016, 08:48:53 PMI'm in the same boat. I'm 5'10 and feel short often. I think that for people who 5'10, LL in a way makes the most sense. You only need to gain 2 inches before you are at an ideal height. 2 inches is also right around the upper limit after which people start to get problems. 2 inches also gets one from dead average to right around 80th percentile, which I think is as all tall as anyone should want to be.
Now than, at your height you might not be considered tall but you are definetly not short. Your height is the only starting height which can get you to the "magic 6", as it is called for some reason in this forum (For me the magic number is 180cm), without risking too much in terms of recovery or proportions.
BUT, if at your height if 177 you have alot of problems with the other sex or social life or work, the problem is simply not your height. The height change might or might not give you any benefits... If it will, they will not be as much as going from short to average. Think carfully before doing it. You are missing the chance to improve yourself instead of improving your body instead.
Anyway, best of luck with whatever path you choose
Quote from: DoingItForMe on February 20, 2016, 08:09:05 PMLet's not bicker and fight among ourselves. We're all in this together and it'd be counter productive to tell someone what to do and what not to do based on how YOU would feel at that height. Everyone lives in a different environment and background and ambition. For example, there are some millionaires who can't be happy about being millionaires and strive to be billionaires. So the same thing can be said about height. One person's dream height could be 5'9" while another is 6'. This is where the bickering can happen, because each person has a different view on what's already great.
If you're referring to me: It's not about bickering or telling someone what to do. It's more about questioning the logic in not wanting to seek out help from others, whether professional or not. Let's face it, for some it's in our heads more then others and vice-versa. Regardless of what height you stand however, I do feel that there is some value to be gained in seeking some form of help.
Taking away the points that everyone's perspective is different and lives in different places, and factoring in the point you made about LL being a last resort, I do feel that so many people here in this forum just jump into this LL-crazy train without forethought. It's a principle reason why you saw so many people go to India or Russia (some good doctors in both those places I won't deny) so readily in the old forum and look how that turned out.
In the end, the only thing I'm arguing for is for people to take a chance and try to reach a helping hand that is able to make them see the world differently. Who knows, it might even cure people's neurosis and they'll decide not to do LL: saving them huge amounts of money and their bodies. And even if it doesn't fully cure your height neurosis (I'm a testament to that, won't deny), it can at least help mend your life at the moment and carry on while you prepare for LL. There really is nothing to lose from reaching out for help.
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on February 20, 2016, 08:54:35 PMNow than, at your height you might not be considered tall but you are definetly not short. Your height is the only starting height which can get you to the "magic 6", as it is called for some reason in this forum (For me the magic number is 180cm), without risking too much in terms of recovery or proportions.
BUT, if at your height if 177 you have alot of problems with the other sex or social life or work, the problem is simply not your height. The height change might or might not give you any benefits... If it will, they will not be as much as going from short to average. Think carfully before doing it. You are missing the chance to improve yourself instead of improving your body instead.
Anyway, best of luck with whatever path you choose
I really don't have a lot of problems in my life. I'm young, healthy, earning quite a bit of money, and have a good relationship with a very cute girl. I started college around 5'8 and grew to 5'10 by about halfway through my junior year at age 20. I noticed those two inches made a huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys. I think another 2 inches would pay off just as much or even more. If only I could find out how to do it without losing mroe than 6 months of work and / or paying $120k (I'd be fine with 60-80 but 120 like Paley and Guichet require is just too much).
Quote from: LookingAround on February 20, 2016, 11:40:29 PMI really don't have a lot of problems in my life. I'm young, healthy, earning quite a bit of money, and have a good relationship with a very cute girl. I started college around 5'8 and grew to 5'10 by about halfway through my junior year at age 20. I noticed those two inches made a huge difference in gaining attention from females and respect from other guys. I think another 2 inches would pay off just as much or even more. If only I could find out how to do it without losing mroe than 6 months of work and / or paying $120k (I'd be fine with 60-80 but 120 like Paley and Guichet require is just too much).
Those 2 inches from 5'8 to 5'10 made a huge difference because you got out of the "your height is a problem" category..
It pretty much goes like this (from my experience): 5'7-5'8 is the " a few more cm wouldnt hurt you" range. 5'9-5'10 is the "no comment neither positive or negative about height" range, 5'11+ from this range on, you get "you are tall" compliments and are considered tall by everyone around you (except the giants).
I didnt mentioned the guys below 5'7 (maybe the 5'6 would also be part of the 5'7-5'8 range) because below this, you are short... End of story... Sorry
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