5.5 Cm Femurs with Dr. Giotikas and G-Nail.

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 5:39 pm

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Hey guys, I have been posting in the forum for a good while, and finally my surgery's date is close. I'm doing femurs G-Nail with Giotikas on August 25th, and I'm flying to Greece tomorrow. Since Giotikas has just started to use G-Nail, I hope this diary is useful to others. Feel free to use me as a guinea pig!

About me

I'm a 24 year old male from Spain. I apologize for my bad English, as it's not my main language. My height is 172 cm, just a few cm under the average in my country. To be honest, my reasons are a bit different in comparison to other users. My height has never been a problem to me regarding success with women, business, sports... in fact I was just 168 when I started dating my current girlfriend, who is a 170 cm model. In my case, the issue is that I tend to get obssesed with achieving certain goals. This is good for things like businesess and sports, but definitely a problem when it involves something like height. 5 years ago, I got obsessed with reaching 175 cm. I was 168 and did a lot of crazy things that got me to 172 (nothing magical, I just managed to get to my "genetic limit). However, that was not enough, and I kept trying even crazier things with 0 success (for example weighted inverted crunches).

I don't expect people to understand it, and I'm aware this is completely irrational, but my failure to get to 175 cm has affected me really hard and I have been suffering from depression and other problems. In fact, I almost never leave my house because I'm always comparing my height to literally everyone. This year I decided that I want to get my life back, so I chose to get this crazy surgery in order to be over 175 and forget about height forever.

Why G-Nail?

I had Stryde surgery booked earlier this year, and it got cancelled. Then I chose Precice for June, and it got cancelled too. Nuvasive said July, then August, now September... and they keep delaying things. I trust Giotikas as a doctor and I know a few guys who had excellent results with another mechanical nails (Betzbone), so I have decided to take the risk of choosing G-Nail and do this on August. I do understand I'm choosing the less conservative option, but I have to resume online work in late September (it's my own bussiness, but lots of important clients on those dates). For that reason, my options were to do G-Nail or to delay this for December, so I chose to take the risk. I know 2 other guys who are doing G-Nail too this month.

My training

I'm a very fit guy, and I have competed on boxing and kickboxing. Athletic recovery is very important for me, and that's why I will not go over 6 cm. In January, I was really heavy (85 kg), so I stopped heavy lifting and started dieting. Now I'm at 73 kg, which is great. My original flexibility was average, but I have been training a lot and now I can touch the ground with my palms.

Things I have bought

Up to this point, I have been taking Vitamin D. I have also bought a massage gun, a chair for bathing and some pedals to bike from a chair. If any of you has any advice about useful items, please let me know.

That's all for now, I will update as soon as I'm in Greece¡

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Hey guys, I have been posting in the forum for a good while, and finally my surgery's date is close. I'm doing femurs G-Nail with Giotikas on August 25th, and I'm flying to Greece tomorrow. Since Giotikas has just started to use G-Nail, I hope this diary is useful to others. Feel free to use me as a guinea pig!

About me

I'm a 24 year old male from Spain. I apologize for my bad English, as it's not my main language. My height is 172 cm, just a few cm under the average in my country. To be honest, my reasons are a bit different in comparison to other users. My height has never been a problem to me regarding success with women, business, sports... in fact I was just 168 when I started dating my current girlfriend, who is a 170 cm model. In my case, the issue is that I tend to get obssesed with achieving certain goals. This is good for things like businesess and sports, but definitely a problem when it involves something like height. 5 years ago, I got obsessed with reaching 175 cm. I was 168 and did a lot of crazy things that got me to 172 (nothing magical, I just managed to get to my "genetic limit). However, that was not enough, and I kept trying even crazier things with 0 success (for example weighted inverted crunches).

I don't expect people to understand it, and I'm aware this is completely irrational, but my failure to get to 175 cm has affected me really hard and I have been suffering from depression and other problems. In fact, I almost never leave my house because I'm always comparing my height to literally everyone. This year I decided that I want to get my life back, so I chose to get this crazy surgery in order to be over 175 and forget about height forever.

Why G-Nail?

I had Stryde surgery booked earlier this year, and it got cancelled. Then I chose Precice for June, and it got cancelled too. Nuvasive said July, then August, now September... and they keep delaying things. I trust Giotikas as a doctor and I know a few guys who had excellent results with another mechanical nails (Betzbone), so I have decided to take the risk of choosing G-Nail and do this on August. I do understand I'm choosing the less conservative option, but I have to resume online work in late September (it's my own bussiness, but lots of important clients on those dates). For that reason, my options were to do G-Nail or to delay this for December, so I chose to take the risk. I know 2 other guys who are doing G-Nail too this month.

My training

I'm a very fit guy, and I have competed on boxing and kickboxing. Athletic recovery is very important for me, and that's why I will not go over 6 cm. In January, I was really heavy (85 kg), so I stopped heavy lifting and started dieting. Now I'm at 73 kg, which is great. My original flexibility was average, but I have been training a lot and now I can touch the ground with my palms.

Things I have bought

Up to this point, I have been taking Vitamin D. I have also bought a massage gun, a chair for bathing and some pedals to bike from a chair. If any of you has any advice about useful items, please let me know.

That's all for now, I will update as soon as I'm in Greece¡

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slender

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 6:16 pm

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Way to take the leap! We're all rooting for you.

This diary is going to be huge as there is a ton of people interested in the Gnail option with Giotikas.

While not an item you can purchase per say (unless you want to spend 20-30k) I would take advantage of the fact that Giotikas has the AlterG treadmill at his disposal. I've heard really good things about it, especially in the early phases of distraction/post surgery.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you do to go from 168 to 172cm? A 1-2cm gain could be understandable but 4cm is a crazy amount to gain through non-LL means! I'm quite interested haha

Good luck sir!

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 6:21 pm

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Good luck! The doctor will give you a shower chair, crutches and wheel chair - it's included.

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 6:25 pm

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Quote from: eric.cartman on August 14, 2021, 06:21:23 PMGood lucky! The doctor will give you a shower chair, crutches and wheel chair - it's included.

Lol man, thanks for telling me, I ordered it via amazon and I'm in time to cancel it.

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 6:32 pm

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Quote from: slender on August 14, 2021, 06:16:33 PMWay to take the leap! We're all rooting for you.

This diary is going to be huge as there is a ton of people interested in the Gnail option with Giotikas.

While not an item you can purchase per say (unless you want to spend 20-30k) I would take advantage of the fact that Giotikas has the AlterG treadmill at his disposal. I've heard really good things about it, especially in the early phases of distraction/post surgery.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you do to go from 168 to 172cm? A 1-2cm gain could be understandable but 4cm is a crazy amount to gain through non-LL means! I'm quite interested haha

Good luck sir!

I just did things that caused a massive HGH spike, and my growth plates were open because I was 19 year old. So I got on an extreme regime of stretching, sprinting, fasting... I know lots of people may think it was just because I was young and it would have happened anyway, but I had not grown for 3 years. I did all that and I got 4 cm in like 2-3 months. I think it only helped me to get to my "highest", and I think I would not have gotten there if I had not done those things. Of course, I kept trying for years after that and I did not gain a single mm more.

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 8:40 pm

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@V21

You will have to rotate your bone around the nail where the bone is cut by a certain amount 15-25 degrees.

To activate you sit with your leg holding your thigh above the bone cut really tight and then yourself or with the aid of someone else below takes your bent knee and rotates it backwards and forwards. Then the nail/rod should rotate which effects lengthening. How uncomfortable/painless is this I guess individual, guys who have used the Bezt bone could add to clarify.

A risk is rate control (movement whilst sleeping, movements which may lead to unknowingly lengthening of the bone) which may effect bone and nerve healing.

Also you may believe that you do the correct rotational (lengthening) movements and then you go for your next scan and it shows no lengthening therefore you my consolidate early. (This is where the magnetic nails come in).

The guys who have shared their recent Betz experiences do not mention these complications apart from the IT band stuff and the nails appear to be quite similar and I remember you mentioned something about 2% complication rate with "Guichet" nail.

But maybe ask Dr Giotikas

How do you control the rate?
How do you ensure the ratcheting is working?
What happens if you lengthen to much?

Also try to avoid using an epidural to learn to lengthen.

5.5 Cm Femurs with Dr. Giotikas and G-Nail.

All the best

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Posted on Aug 14, 2021, 11:57 pm

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All the best of luck man, happy to see a mechanical nail Giotikas diary. With a goal of 5-6cm you will do very well.

Quote from: Stretch on August 14, 2021, 08:40:57 PM@V21

You will have to rotate your bone around the nail where the bone is cut by a certain amount 15-25 degrees.

To activate you sit with your leg holding your thigh above the bone cut really tight and then yourself or with the aid of someone else below takes your bent knee and rotates it backwards and forwards. Then the nail/rod should rotate which effects lengthening. How uncomfortable/painless is this I guess individual, guys who have used the Bezt bone could add to clarify.

A risk is rate control (movement whilst sleeping, movements which may lead to unknowingly lengthening of the bone) which may effect bone and nerve healing.

Also you may believe that you do the correct rotational (lengthening) movements and then you go for your next scan and it shows no lengthening therefore you my consolidate early. (This is where the magnetic nails come in).

The guys who have shared their recent Betz experiences do not mention these complications apart from the IT band stuff and the nails appear to be quite similar and I remember you mentioned something about 2% complication rate with "Guichet" nail.

But maybe ask Dr Giotikas

How do you control the rate?
How do you ensure the ratcheting is working?
What happens if you lengthen to much?

Also try to avoid using an epidural to learn to lengthen.

All the best

I can speak for Betzbone and I imagine it is similar with G nail.

-Each back and forth click is equivalent to 0.052mm so you know exactly how much length you gained per lengthening session.
-If you hear a click, the ratcheting is working. It is quite a distinctive, loud type of click which is easy to identify. As long as patients have been able to click, I haven't heard of any preconsolidation issues. If anything I have seen several stryde diaries where magnetic nails did not lengthen properly.
-It is quite hard to do accidental clicks with mechanical nails due to the unnatural movement you have to do. I did about 5-6 accidental clicks in total right after I finished lengthening as I was moving my legs way more but since then I haven't done any and I have enough consolidation to where it's not an issue.

Hope this helps.

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All the best of luck man, happy to see a mechanical nail Giotikas diary. With a goal of 5-6cm you will do very well.

Quote from: Stretch on August 14, 2021, 08:40:57 PM@V21

You will have to rotate your bone around the nail where the bone is cut by a certain amount 15-25 degrees.

To activate you sit with your leg holding your thigh above the bone cut really tight and then yourself or with the aid of someone else below takes your bent knee and rotates it backwards and forwards. Then the nail/rod should rotate which effects lengthening. How uncomfortable/painless is this I guess individual, guys who have used the Bezt bone could add to clarify.

A risk is rate control (movement whilst sleeping, movements which may lead to unknowingly lengthening of the bone) which may effect bone and nerve healing.

Also you may believe that you do the correct rotational (lengthening) movements and then you go for your next scan and it shows no lengthening therefore you my consolidate early. (This is where the magnetic nails come in).

The guys who have shared their recent Betz experiences do not mention these complications apart from the IT band stuff and the nails appear to be quite similar and I remember you mentioned something about 2% complication rate with "Guichet" nail.

But maybe ask Dr Giotikas

How do you control the rate?
How do you ensure the ratcheting is working?
What happens if you lengthen to much?

Also try to avoid using an epidural to learn to lengthen.

All the best

I can speak for Betzbone and I imagine it is similar with G nail.

-Each back and forth click is equivalent to 0.052mm so you know exactly how much length you gained per lengthening session.
-If you hear a click, the ratcheting is working. It is quite a distinctive, loud type of click which is easy to identify. As long as patients have been able to click, I haven't heard of any preconsolidation issues. If anything I have seen several stryde diaries where magnetic nails did not lengthen properly.
-It is quite hard to do accidental clicks with mechanical nails due to the unnatural movement you have to do. I did about 5-6 accidental clicks in total right after I finished lengthening as I was moving my legs way more but since then I haven't done any and I have enough consolidation to where it's not an issue.

Hope this helps.

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Posted on Aug 15, 2021, 12:45 am

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Quote from: V21 on August 14, 2021, 06:32:58 PMI just did things that caused a massive HGH spike, and my growth plates were open because I was 19 year old. So I got on an extreme regime of stretching, sprinting, fasting... I know lots of people may think it was just because I was young and it would have happened anyway, but I had not grown for 3 years. I did all that and I got 4 cm in like 2-3 months. I think it only helped me to get to my "highest", and I think I would not have gotten there if I had not done those things. Of course, I kept trying for years after that and I did not gain a single mm more.

Thats quite interesting! I didn't think you could naturally spike/hack your growth like that at 19, even if the growth plates were open. The more you know haha!

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Posted on Aug 15, 2021, 12:48 am

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Quote from: RB on August 14, 2021, 11:57:30 PMAll the best of luck man, happy to see a mechanical nail Giotikas diary. With a goal of 5-6cm you will do very well.

I can speak for Betzbone and I imagine it is similar with G nail.

-Each back and forth click is equivalent to 0.052mm so you know exactly how much length you gained per lengthening session.
-If you hear a click, the ratcheting is working. It is quite a distinctive, loud type of click which is easy to identify. As long as patients have been able to click, I haven't heard of any preconsolidation issues. If anything I have seen several stryde diaries where magnetic nails did not lengthen properly.
-It is quite hard to do accidental clicks with mechanical nails due to the unnatural movement you have to do. I did about 5-6 accidental clicks in total right after I finished lengthening as I was moving my legs way more but since then I haven't done any and I have enough consolidation to where it's not an issue.

Hope this helps.

@RB - In your experience does the 15-25 degrees that is pitched seem reasonable? Or does it feel like a lot more distance to cover when you're actually doing it. Loved your diary btw, thanks for all the insight on BetzBone and mechanical nails.

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Posted on Aug 15, 2021, 5:24 am

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Quote from: slender on August 15, 2021, 12:48:20 AM@RB - In your experience does the 15-25 degrees that is pitched seem reasonable? Or does it feel like a lot more distance to cover when you're actually doing it. Loved your diary btw, thanks for all the insight on BetzBone and mechanical nails.

At the beginning of lengthening when the nail is at its stiffest it feels like a long way to rotate your leg. But when the pain decreases and the nail loosens up, its a very easy motion to complete. For example after 3-3.5cm it only took me about 2 minutes to click per leg.

No problem man, glad to be able to help.

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