8cm tibia & 12cm femur

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Would a doctor in Turkey, India, or Russia do 8cm on the tibia or 12 cm on the femur if you ask them or are there prerequisites? Yes, I do know it's well beyond the safe limit and I understand it so please don't lecture on that. From what I understand you grow around 1mm every day so if I wanted 8cm on the tibia or 12cm on the femur on 2 separate occasions would that mean we keep it 80 and 120 days respectively on each and it will reach the desired height or it would stop growing at some point? If it's that easy why don't more people do it instead of doing a simple 8+5cm ?

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Quote from: lovinglonglegs on June 14, 2023, 04:37:26 AMtechnically you can do it but yu have to spend a lot of time and money.

I guess by money you mean the hotel length that will get extended right?

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Quote from: TheDream on June 14, 2023, 03:28:45 AMYou answered your own question:

Fair enough

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Quote from: NailedLegs on June 14, 2023, 09:02:13 PM8+12 is 20, not 16. OP also asked about doing it in one go, which Paley does 4 + 4, then a year later 4 + 4. 12cm on femurs in one go is crazy.

1mm a day should keep the doctor away

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Quote from: NailedLegs on June 14, 2023, 05:24:01 PMYou're not going to be able to do it. Even suggesting 1mm a day on tibias tells me you don't understand the limitations of this surgery. Without even knowing your wingspan, I already know your proportions are going to be terrible and will likely necessitate arm lengthening too...but that's assuming you'll even be able to walk after going to such an extreme.

The guy who opened LiveLifeTaller did 20cm and he is in good shape albeit he did it in 3 surgeries but I don't see the difference. Could do 18cm too but you always need to aim high because you may lose some cm’s in the process

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Quote from: NailedLegs on June 14, 2023, 05:24:01 PMYou're not going to be able to do it.

Many people have done it, what makes you think it's not make able? If it's  a proportion issue I don't see the problem.

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Are you Paley’s right-hand man because all you do is say “Paley, Paley, Paley” There are other doctors in the world not just your Paley

QuoteWhat does this even mean? Your femurs and tibias do not shrink, or lose height, like your spine does. Do you mean because of the Q-Angle? Now you are just saying nonsense.

I heard you lose approximately 15-20% with Lon so stop acting so smart

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Many have done it in the past like Dr. Halil who did 20 cms in 3 surgeries and he's in spectacular form but would 10+7 be more realistic?

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Quote from: NailedLegs on June 15, 2023, 03:33:06 AMYes, there are many fantastic and competent orthopedic surgeons in the world. And Dr. Buldu is not one of them. I asked you a very simple question. What Doctor has performed cosmetic limb lengthening and lengthened their patient by 20cm? And who has lengthened 12cm on a single segment at once? Who?

>I heard you lose approximately 15-20% with Lon

By who? What Doctor said you lose 15-20% of lengthening with LON? Tell me that Doctors name. Go ahead. I'll wait. But I know it'll be forever, because you can't find one.

>so stop acting so smart

I have approached this conversation with facts, logic, and sound reasoning. I tried to explain things to you in a simple to understand way. But your pride and arrogance is getting in the way. I asked you simple questions because I am showing you that your line of thinking is incorrect.

Here's a good study for you to read. Another highly respected and competent surgeon, Dr Rozbruch, was one of the authors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6031532/ "A Comparison of Femoral Lengthening Methods Favors the Magnetic Internal Lengthening Nail When Compared with Lengthening Over a Nail"

I believe a different part. Dr. Rozbruch, another respected surgeon, had an arm lengthening patient and did the second osteotemy proximal to the first. Obviously, an arm is different than a leg. But the idea is similar. This would be a question I'd ask your surgeon, though. I am not a Doctor.

Watch this video to see for yourself:

Don't you think that doctors would discourage you from doing 12cm in 1 surgery because it'll be cheaper than 2? Of course, I'm not saying every doctor is like that but as a businessman, 2 surgeries would bring me more money than 1. Secondly please don't quote me any research made by the government as I don't trust them at all, they always discourage you from the things beneficial to you.

 I don't listen to the doctor's recommendation but listen to the experience of people actually who went thru the surgery. And I heard many stories of people who were successful in the operation. The 15-20% loss came from a guy who did lon and said it, not a doctor because which doctor would tell you that? You seem to be a pretty innocent and naive lad who listens to experts and anything not from an expert is wrong and bad, you do you I guess.

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Quote from: YOUNGandSTRONG on June 15, 2023, 03:13:59 AMIt's true, many people do more than 8 cm in a segment and it's fking beastly. I do not criticize your thought but it is something that gives us to think about the repercussions that this extension will cause in the future. Just keep your attention on your body and listen to it

That's what I call a good, rational comment who sees both sides of the coin